cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/4249593

Democratic Gov. Jared Polis called the Gadsden flag ‘a proud symbol of the American revolution’ after a a Colorado student was told to remove a patch of the “Don’t Tread on Me” flag from his backpack.

  • @[email protected]
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    11 year ago

    Being individually free does not necessitate an oppressive structure within the collective – if all individuals are free, then the collective must also be free.

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      1 year ago

      This seems like it should be true, but unfortunately game theory shows that it is not, due to coordination problems. It’s possible for everyone to have individual free choice in their actions, and yet the collective to be incapable of making the choice that everyone would individually prefer it to make. The elementary example of this is the Prisoner’s Dilemma.

      Interestingly, real humans turn out to be better at resolving coordination problems than a purely selfish algorithm is.

      • @[email protected]
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        11 year ago

        It’s possible for everyone to have individual free choice in their actions, and yet the collective to be incapable of making the choice that everyone would individually prefer it to make

        The entire point of individualism is that it is opposed to collectivism.

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          1 year ago

          Please consider reading for comprehension of whole sentences or paragraphs, rather than just recognizing single words. The above comment isn’t about individualism vs. collectivism as doctrines.

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            11 year ago

            Your original point is fundamentally flawed, though. The individual has no freedom of choice if the collective is making decisions for the individual. I am also not understanding how this is analogous to the prisoner’s dilemma.

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              1 year ago

              You still seem to be looking to have an “individualism vs. collectivism” fight that isn’t happening here, and it seems to be that you’re reading a bunch of extra stuff into my words that I didn’t actually write there. I think we’re done here. I do think you would do well to understand what a coordination problem is.

              • @[email protected]
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                11 year ago

                I think we’re done here.

                I would very much like to understand where my misinterpretations are. I aspire to improve my conversational skills. I apologize if I have offended you in some way – offense is not my intent.

                I do think you would do well to understand what a coordination problem is.

                Would you mind elaborating?