Will Bunch expresses what I’ve been thinking since Trump was elected. American democracy is under attack from within. The fascists who yearn for an authoritarian government in the media are promoting it, and the media who supposedly don’t support it fail to recognize it. They are busy trying to follow the political playbook of the 20th century.

  • @Mudface
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    -21 year ago

    What are you talking about?

    • admiralteal
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      Don’t be disingenuous. You’re out here DEMANDING that journalists should still be out there on investigation beats even if there’s no way to earn a living doing it, but aren’t willing to do anything yourself other than complain about how lazy and biased they are.

      • @Mudface
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        01 year ago

        Are you suggesting that no one would read an actual, real, investigative journalism piece?

        That’s what it sounds like you’re saying

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          Prepared by whom?

          If no one can get paid a living wage to do it, it won’t get done. You’re the one saying that a lack of funding for journalists is no excuse and that you DEMAND they go out there and do the work even if there’s no funding.

          If you’re so sure there is a good business model in what you want, go fucking do it.

          • @Mudface
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            01 year ago

            Any story like ‘who blew up the pipelines’ would be the biggest story in the country.

            Anyone who writes that story will get fucking paid

            That’s how this stuff works.

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              It would… if you could get that result. But three different national governments devoted vast resources to it and couldn’t find anything conclusive, though we are fairly sure they were deliberate detonations using shaped charges and Russian vessels including a salvage shipped equipped with a submersible well capable of planting such charges were detected unexpectedly in the area beforehand. Russian involvement is still the most credible theory with Ukrainian sappers trailing somewhere in the far distance behind it.

              Dozens of organizations, including media ones, HAVE tried to “solve” this one and been unable to do so. Hundreds of people have worked on it. Published about it.

              Given that you believe no investigation has happened, it’s safe to assume you haven’t contributed to any of that effort, including through pageviews. Which pretty much proves your thesis wrong.

              So again, the amount of REAL MONEY AND EFFORT it would take to get a definitive answer to this question is more than even the Dutch, Swedish, and German governments have been able to manage. But you are still not satisfied that journalists aren’t currently 100% devoting their limited time and resources to it.

              • @Mudface
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                -11 year ago

                I have stopped searching for answers, the best that most of the non-conspiratorial articles can give us is ‘trust us, bro’

                I’m a little bit past that level of trust for the media at this point. I’m going to need more than ‘trust us, bro’

                I have actual expectations of the media that they just aren’t able to live up to.

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                  No, they definitely cannot live up to your standards because your standards are not possible to live up to. Which brings us all the way back to the start of the conversation – bias-free journalism does not and cannot exist. Because the journalists are real people with physical bodies and actual needs and desires. You can be transparent about bias and agendas and allow readers to form conclusions based on the persuasiveness of your work. But for a reader who insists on an unpassable purity test, there’s no hope.

                  Unfortunately, a lot of people (like you) have been raised with such profoundly bad media literacy that you believe there’s such a thing as perfect objective truth and so when you see things that fail to reach that standard, no matter how thorough, researched, and convincing it is, it can be dismissed with a handwave.

                  But remember, when you say there’s been no investigation into those nordstream bombs, you are lying. It’s a lie. There’s been tons. And not enough information was found to form a definite conclusion. It’s an unsatisfying result, but not proof of journalistic laziness.

                  • @Mudface
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                    01 year ago

                    That’s such weak bullshit.

                    It’s not that hard to report the facts. Do you think science can? Math? Why can journalists not do it?