Will Bunch expresses what I’ve been thinking since Trump was elected. American democracy is under attack from within. The fascists who yearn for an authoritarian government in the media are promoting it, and the media who supposedly don’t support it fail to recognize it. They are busy trying to follow the political playbook of the 20th century.
I never said any of the such and you either know it and are lying or you’re too dumb to understand.
If a neo nazi, or just anyone attacks you and you punch him, it’s self defense.
If you walk up to a neo Nazi and punch him for no reason whatsoever beyond “I don’t like his opinions” then you’ll get arrested and you’ll be convicted of assault and battery. It. Is. That. Simple.
You can armchair hero all you want about how big bad you would punch those evil Nazis but that is all bullshit and you know it. I’ve had too many discussions now with too many people like you who are so brave on the internet but in front of an actual neo nazi your piss your pants.
Yes, ooh, Nazis are bad, I had no idea. However, we live in a civil society where EVERYONE has rights, even those with thoughts and opinions that we don’t like, even neo Nazis. If you don’t like that then guess what? That means you have racist opinions and you’re the same as what you hate so badly.
So grow up, stip bragging on the internet how brave you are and get with the real world where you can’t just punch a person.
Let me get this straight…you think that if someone is intolerant of racists, that makes them racist?
No, and you didn’t read anything I wrote because I literally didn’t say any of that, not sure why you’re making stuff up.
I say that if you ASSAULT somebody because of their admittedly shitty opinions, that you’re the bad guy and are going to jail.
That and that I’m getting slightly tired of all those armchair internet heroes in mamas basement getting hard peepees over fantasizing how they would beat up Nazis. Never mind most of them would piss their pants when standing next to an actual Dangerous person.
Can you elaborate more then, on this quote of yours?
‘we live in a civil society where EVERYONE has rights, even those with thoughts and opinions that we don’t like, even neo Nazis. If you don’t like that then guess what? That means you have racist opinions and you’re the same as what you hate so badly.’
Elaborate where? It’s pretty clear: everyone has rights, limitations and obligations. You do not have the right to assault people for having opinions that you (nor me) don’t like. Yes, neo-nazis are dickless assholes, yaddah, you still don’t have the right to assault them.
It’s not that complicated
But how does that equate to one having racist opinions?
I don’t really understand what is so hard to understand. Yes, racism is bad, racists are bad, neo-nazis are bad, all correct.
It’s also all irrelevant
The moment you punch somebody in the face it’s over, you are the bad one. You committed assault and battery and if the victim (yes, now you turned a Nazi into a victim, great going!) decides to press charges, depending on the injuries you caused, you might be the one ending up in jail.
If you tell a judge “but it’s okay to punch neo-Nazis!” The judge might just be annoyed enough to slap a few extra months on your sentence so that you’ll learn that it is not okay to assault anyone for their shitty opinions, period.
If somebody is threatening a group of people with a gun and you punch him to next Friday, that is a different thing and has nothing to do with that person being a neo-nazi or not, but nobody talks about that here. Everyone here says it’s okay to punch Nazi’s (Nazi’s don’t even exist, it’s neo Nazis) and they’re all wrong. It doesn’t matter if it’s Europe or the US or Canada or hell, even Mexico.
You punch, you wrong.
What is so hard to understand about that? Why do these armchair heroes (who, again, would piss their pants standing next to actual neo Nazis) keep fantasizing about assaulting people and then get an applause for that from police and judges?
Are you all 15 or something? What is it that I’m missing?
I understand the point you are trying to make, but how does that make you have racist opinions?
I don’t
You do know that “Send the jews back to camp! Race war now!” is not an opinion I, or ANYONE ELSE, should have to respect right?
Did I say you have to agree with racists? Did I say anywhere that you should have respect for neo Nazis?
I said: STOP FANTASIZING ABOUT ASSAULTING PEOPLE FOR THEIR SHITTY OPINIONS! First off you’d piss your pants in the real world, second you’d get your ass handed if you did and if you didn’t, you’d go to jail for assault and yes: YOU WOULD BE THE BAD GUY, NOT THE NEO NAZI
Stop fantasizing about carrying water for the Fourth Reich
Save that for a judge, I’d love to see you make that argument
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_States - Someone else already did
I try to quell the hoard by saying “defensive means violence to those who intend your innocent negbor to get assulted, violated and killed because he exists. Its not vauge.” But some minds are sadly closed.
Thanks for the link, this whole thread is a shitshow
You have no idea what you’re talking about, or what we are talking about. Assault and battery is not legal in the USA, or any count for that matter. You fantasising about it doesn’t change that.
No one is saying you have to respect the racist idiot. Just that it’s not self defense to attack someone for saying it, it’s assault. BIG difference.