You bought a shitty wireless and use that to hate on the entire protocol.
The WH-1000XM5 isn’t a shitty wireless headphone, it has issues but I wouldn’t call it shitty. If it really was that shitty then it wouldn’t have a positive rating on sites like Amazon, WhatHiFi, Soundguys etc. In saying that, I do consider it worse than a wired headphone, but that I believe is because of the limitations of current wireless technology. Thankfully it also has a wired mode which works fine, and the ANC works well too, so it’s not completely useless to the point that I’d call it “shitty”. It certainly is flawed, and annoying at times.
I’ve bought bad wired ones where the wire breaks easily, but the same logic doesn’t seem to apply there for you.
That’s because wires are cheap and easy to repair or replace. What will you do when a wireless headphones breaks or doesn’t work as intended? The only realistic option is to replace it, which will either create more e-waste, or just be a PITA in general, trying to find another headphones that work.
Any decent wired headset has easily replaceable cables?
Of course. I’m not taking about those cheapo $2 headsets that you’d find in a dollar store.
Any decent wireless won’t have the problems you’ve mentioned
But mine did though, and also, lithium batteries degrade over time, and that is an undeniable fact. It’s also an undeniable fact that it’s extremely difficult or even next to impossible to replace the battery on most of these headphones.
Still get out 7-8 hours of non stop usage which is more than enough for me.
Good for you, but that’s not enough for me. Every now and then I take a 16+ hour flight (with maybe a 6-10 hr halt), so that battery life isn’t going to cut it. And with most of these headphones, you can’t use them while charging either.
Buy decent products and you won’t have issues.
And my original point still stands. How exactly is one supposed to figure out what’s a decent wireless headset? The WH-1000XM5 is still rated very highly on pretty much every website. By all definitions, it’s supposed to be a decent headset. If you’ve got some sort of secret website or method to determine if a headset is decent or not, I’m all ears.
“How are you supposed to know” goes for both too. You can’t tailor your argument to only work for one type and ignore it for the other.
Not really, because my experience is primarily with wired headphones, so I’ve already got a winning formula for selecting decent wired headphones - the ones which have a replaceable wire are decent, anything beyond that would be nitpicking on the audio quality like audiophiles do, or minor things like ear fit and noise isolation etc - but all that would boil down to personal preference. On the other hand, I don’t have a working formula for picking decent wireless headphones, so if you do, please share.
You’re so irrationally upset about this that you can’t even see how you contradict yourself in your essays.
And why are you quoting me, quoting you?
Any decent wireless won’t have the problems you’ve mentioned
But mine did though,
It’s clearly not very decent then if you have those problems.
Not really, because my experience is primarily with wired headphone
Your personal lack of knowledge and experience in other fields is not an argument against anything. We get it. YOU don’t like wireless because YOU had a bad experience. That’s ok. But why you seem to think your lack of knowledge is somehow an argument against wireless=bad is unclear to me.
If you’ve got some sort of secret website or method to determine if a headset is decent or not, I’m all ears.
I do this cool thing where I go to my store. And I ask to try the headset I’m interested in. I get personal hands on experience. I connect it to my phone, and to my watch. And I see how it handles two connections at the same time. It’s not rocket science.
I do this cool thing where I go to my store. And I ask to try the headset I’m interested in. I get personal hands on experience. I connect it to my phone, and to my watch. And I see how it handles two connections at the same time. It’s not rocket science.
Yeah, that’s not really an option where I live (New Zealand). We have very limited choices of both physical stores, as well as models available. In my case, the WH-1000XM5 wasn’t available in any physical stores when I bought it, also, I ordered it online directly from Sony (another reason for ordering direct from Sony is I get a discount thru my company).
How is simply living in my country a “me” problem? Also, the fact remains that wireless headsets in general have way more problems compared to wired, and that has nothing to do with me.
No. It just means you have more problems with purchasing wireless products. How many people live in New Zealand? 5 million? So wireless headsets are bad, because 5 million kiwis can’t go to a store and try them. Is that your reasoning?
What are these way more problems? You’ve listed 2.
Bad wireless connection
Batteries can run out.
Wired headsets can have Bad wires or bad male/female connectors too so not really an exclusive problem.
But sure. Batteries CAN run out. Good thing most decent wireless headsets also come with a wired option.
This doesn’t make them generally worse. It just makes them worse for YOU. Because you’re a kiwi who can’t go to a Playtech store or something.
It just means you have more problems with purchasing wireless products
It’s not just me, it’s the technology in general.
What are these way more problems? You’ve listed 2.
Wireless interference
Initial connectivity/pairing issues
Failure to reroute audio/mic from an app to the headphone
Future OS update or headphone firmware update could break things
Battery health will degrade over time, which typically means you need to buy a new headphone every few years
It’s a hassle to have yet another thing you need to remember to charge
Wired headsets can have Bad wires or bad male/female connectors too so not really an exclusive problem.
As I said before this isn’t really an issue as you can easily replace the wire, but more than anything, it’s extremely unlikely that there would be a bad wire/connector on a brand new headset.
Let’s go over this once and for all. Because I’m sick of having to repeat myself.
Wireless interfere and other connectivity/pairing issues can be summed up into 1 complaints.
Connectivity issues.
I have had a pair of Jabra earplugs and boss headphones combined for over 7 years now.
Not once have i ever experienced connectivity issues while paired. I have had problems pairing to certain phones. But since that was specific to that phone. I’m not exactly going to blame the earplugs.
Failure to reroute audio.
That sounds very specific to certain headsets or earplugs. It’s a product issue. Not a Bluetooth issue. As mentioned many times. My headset does it seamlessly between devices. It’s not a problem if you buy a good pair of headsets/earplugs.
Future OS update or headphone firmware update could break things.
That could probably be the case sometimes. Most likely won’t last very long if you report the problem.
Battery health will degrade over time, which typically means you need to buy a new headphone every few years
My jabras are going strong despite being almost 7 years old. They easily last an entire day of normal use. But yes battery do degrade. That’s part of the price you pay for the convenience of not needing a wire. Maybe I’ll have to replace them once they hit the 10 year mark. But I’m OK with that. Sounds worth it to me.
it’s a hassle to have yet another thing to charge.
That is very personal don’t you think? These days remembering to charge things is as easy as remembering to put them in their place. An organized person will have little trouble putting things in the same place once they are done with them.
I can’t replace a wire on my wired headset to my computer. Would have to open them up (somehow while not breaking them) and re-soldier a new cable and THAT is a real hassle. Gonna have to buy a soldiering iron too. Probably best for most to let a repair shop do it then. Same as a battery replacement.
I have had a pair of Jabra earplugs and boss headphones combined for over 7 years now.
That’s just anecdotal, that doesn’t mean that other products or other users haven’t had any issues.
It’s a product issue. Not a Bluetooth issue. As mentioned many times.
As I mentioned before, I don’t care that whether it’s a “Bluetooth” isssue or not, it’s a common issue experienced with that class of devices. The point is, the issue exists, whether or not it’s a fault of the actual Bluetooth protocol isn’t the point here.
My jabras are going strong despite being almost 7 years old. […] Maybe I’ll have to replace them once they hit the 10 year mark.
Again, anecdotal. I highly doubt that your battery would last for 10 years (and still have any useful capacity), which would be going against the well established averages for lithium ion. Many popular wireless earbuds, such as the Apple Airpods, have a lifespan of only 2-3 years.
The fact is that most wireless headsets will turn into e-waste - and dangerous e-waste at that - in a much, much shorter time frame compared to wired. That does not sound okay to me.
And yet, it’s still an additional activity that one may not want to engage in. It’s a pretty common complaint, so it’s not as personal as you think. Lots of people avoid wireless products for this reason alone.
I can’t replace a wire on my wired headset to my computer.
And as I said before, any decent headset will have a replaceable wire. But even if you can’t replace or repair the wire yourself, it’s typically not an issue for a repair shop to do it, and it’s pretty cheap too. Whereas it may not be that straightforward or cheap to replace a built-in battery - for starters, your repair shop may not even have the battery in stock (especially if it’s a 7+ year old, not super-popular model), assuming someone even makes a replacement battery, you’ll need the shop to order it in, which can take a long time, considering most airlines prohibit shipping loose batteries in cargo - which means that the battery will need to be shipped by land and/or sea. And even then, it doesn’t solve the e-waste problem.
The WH-1000XM5 isn’t a shitty wireless headphone, it has issues but I wouldn’t call it shitty. If it really was that shitty then it wouldn’t have a positive rating on sites like Amazon, WhatHiFi, Soundguys etc. In saying that, I do consider it worse than a wired headphone, but that I believe is because of the limitations of current wireless technology. Thankfully it also has a wired mode which works fine, and the ANC works well too, so it’s not completely useless to the point that I’d call it “shitty”. It certainly is flawed, and annoying at times.
That’s because wires are cheap and easy to repair or replace. What will you do when a wireless headphones breaks or doesn’t work as intended? The only realistic option is to replace it, which will either create more e-waste, or just be a PITA in general, trying to find another headphones that work.
Of course. I’m not taking about those cheapo $2 headsets that you’d find in a dollar store.
But mine did though, and also, lithium batteries degrade over time, and that is an undeniable fact. It’s also an undeniable fact that it’s extremely difficult or even next to impossible to replace the battery on most of these headphones.
Good for you, but that’s not enough for me. Every now and then I take a 16+ hour flight (with maybe a 6-10 hr halt), so that battery life isn’t going to cut it. And with most of these headphones, you can’t use them while charging either.
And my original point still stands. How exactly is one supposed to figure out what’s a decent wireless headset? The WH-1000XM5 is still rated very highly on pretty much every website. By all definitions, it’s supposed to be a decent headset. If you’ve got some sort of secret website or method to determine if a headset is decent or not, I’m all ears.
Not really, because my experience is primarily with wired headphones, so I’ve already got a winning formula for selecting decent wired headphones - the ones which have a replaceable wire are decent, anything beyond that would be nitpicking on the audio quality like audiophiles do, or minor things like ear fit and noise isolation etc - but all that would boil down to personal preference. On the other hand, I don’t have a working formula for picking decent wireless headphones, so if you do, please share.
You’re so irrationally upset about this that you can’t even see how you contradict yourself in your essays.
And why are you quoting me, quoting you?
It’s clearly not very decent then if you have those problems.
Your personal lack of knowledge and experience in other fields is not an argument against anything. We get it. YOU don’t like wireless because YOU had a bad experience. That’s ok. But why you seem to think your lack of knowledge is somehow an argument against wireless=bad is unclear to me.
I do this cool thing where I go to my store. And I ask to try the headset I’m interested in. I get personal hands on experience. I connect it to my phone, and to my watch. And I see how it handles two connections at the same time. It’s not rocket science.
Yeah, that’s not really an option where I live (New Zealand). We have very limited choices of both physical stores, as well as models available. In my case, the WH-1000XM5 wasn’t available in any physical stores when I bought it, also, I ordered it online directly from Sony (another reason for ordering direct from Sony is I get a discount thru my company).
That sounds like a giant. You problem. And not a wireless problem.
How is simply living in my country a “me” problem? Also, the fact remains that wireless headsets in general have way more problems compared to wired, and that has nothing to do with me.
No. It just means you have more problems with purchasing wireless products. How many people live in New Zealand? 5 million? So wireless headsets are bad, because 5 million kiwis can’t go to a store and try them. Is that your reasoning?
What are these way more problems? You’ve listed 2.
Bad wireless connection Batteries can run out.
Wired headsets can have Bad wires or bad male/female connectors too so not really an exclusive problem.
But sure. Batteries CAN run out. Good thing most decent wireless headsets also come with a wired option.
This doesn’t make them generally worse. It just makes them worse for YOU. Because you’re a kiwi who can’t go to a Playtech store or something.
It’s not just me, it’s the technology in general.
As I said before this isn’t really an issue as you can easily replace the wire, but more than anything, it’s extremely unlikely that there would be a bad wire/connector on a brand new headset.
Let’s go over this once and for all. Because I’m sick of having to repeat myself.
Wireless interfere and other connectivity/pairing issues can be summed up into 1 complaints.
I have had a pair of Jabra earplugs and boss headphones combined for over 7 years now.
Not once have i ever experienced connectivity issues while paired. I have had problems pairing to certain phones. But since that was specific to that phone. I’m not exactly going to blame the earplugs.
That sounds very specific to certain headsets or earplugs. It’s a product issue. Not a Bluetooth issue. As mentioned many times. My headset does it seamlessly between devices. It’s not a problem if you buy a good pair of headsets/earplugs.
That could probably be the case sometimes. Most likely won’t last very long if you report the problem.
My jabras are going strong despite being almost 7 years old. They easily last an entire day of normal use. But yes battery do degrade. That’s part of the price you pay for the convenience of not needing a wire. Maybe I’ll have to replace them once they hit the 10 year mark. But I’m OK with that. Sounds worth it to me.
That is very personal don’t you think? These days remembering to charge things is as easy as remembering to put them in their place. An organized person will have little trouble putting things in the same place once they are done with them.
I can’t replace a wire on my wired headset to my computer. Would have to open them up (somehow while not breaking them) and re-soldier a new cable and THAT is a real hassle. Gonna have to buy a soldiering iron too. Probably best for most to let a repair shop do it then. Same as a battery replacement.
That’s just anecdotal, that doesn’t mean that other products or other users haven’t had any issues.
As I mentioned before, I don’t care that whether it’s a “Bluetooth” isssue or not, it’s a common issue experienced with that class of devices. The point is, the issue exists, whether or not it’s a fault of the actual Bluetooth protocol isn’t the point here.
Again, anecdotal. I highly doubt that your battery would last for 10 years (and still have any useful capacity), which would be going against the well established averages for lithium ion. Many popular wireless earbuds, such as the Apple Airpods, have a lifespan of only 2-3 years.
The fact is that most wireless headsets will turn into e-waste - and dangerous e-waste at that - in a much, much shorter time frame compared to wired. That does not sound okay to me.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/your-wireless-earbuds-are-trash-eventually/
And yet, it’s still an additional activity that one may not want to engage in. It’s a pretty common complaint, so it’s not as personal as you think. Lots of people avoid wireless products for this reason alone.
And as I said before, any decent headset will have a replaceable wire. But even if you can’t replace or repair the wire yourself, it’s typically not an issue for a repair shop to do it, and it’s pretty cheap too. Whereas it may not be that straightforward or cheap to replace a built-in battery - for starters, your repair shop may not even have the battery in stock (especially if it’s a 7+ year old, not super-popular model), assuming someone even makes a replacement battery, you’ll need the shop to order it in, which can take a long time, considering most airlines prohibit shipping loose batteries in cargo - which means that the battery will need to be shipped by land and/or sea. And even then, it doesn’t solve the e-waste problem.