• kratoz29
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    810 months ago

    I hate that Apple never talk about RAM size… I mean, I know most Apple users don’t even get to worry about this anymore due to how iOS works… but still, it is hardware after all…

    • @AnyProgressIsGood
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      1110 months ago

      Why does it matter? They don’t have a java base that needs 4 gigs

      • kratoz29
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        410 months ago

        Well, refer to my last sentence in the previous comment… now that I think about it… they also are never clear about the battery capacity, regardless they have the best software to measure its capacity/battery life to this day 🤔

      • MeanEYE
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        -710 months ago

        Nor does Android. Android uses Dalvik VM, which is not the same as JVM.

          • MeanEYE
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            210 months ago

            Interesting. Didn’t know they got rid of it. Goes to show how much I am involved in Android development. Oh well. You learn something new every day.

    • @scarabic
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      610 months ago

      On a PC, more RAM is always better.

      In a phone, more RAM taxes the battery more.

      There is a right amount of RAM, and more importantly a right way to tune the process management for power savings.

      But the only measurement of that is the end user experience. MB of RAM just isn’t a useful number.

      • kratoz29
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        110 months ago

        Bruh, I’m currently facing RAM management issues with my Android phone, RAM matters for all aspects of technology especially android phones (my device has 6 GB of RAM, I should have gotten the 8 GB variant because I enjoy all the aspects of a smooth multitasking), in my case probably RAM amount ain’t the problem but the aggressive OS RAM killer, but yeah my main point is, there is a reason why we have gotten bigger RAM amounts with smartphones, including iPhones ofc, and it is getting tiring to wait for teardowns to see the Apple offer.

        • PupBiru
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          610 months ago

          what apple offer is on no iphone ever has anyone had to worry about how much RAM their phone has… its literally irrelevant: it could be 100Gb, or it could be 1Gb for all i care… its just not something that needs thinking about

        • @scarabic
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          310 months ago

          Well, call me uninterested, but I have never had to think about my RAM size on my iPhones, and I’ve been with them since the 1.0.

          Total storage size, yes, but even that is becoming less important with the air of cloud services.

          I think if you want to shop specs, Android may be for you.

          • kratoz29
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            210 months ago

            and I’ve been with them since the 1.0.

            Lucky you, I had an iPod Touch 4G, an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 6, and they eventually crapped out because the RAM wasn’t sufficient, I think things got insanely better since the iPhone 6S and onwards thanks to those sweet 2 GB of RAM!

            • @[email protected]
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              10 months ago

              Yeah, people who’ve had iPhones for 10 years and never noticed lack of ram, probably do not know what they are looking for.

              It was extremely common a couple of years back for apps to close down every time you switched app due to low amounts of ram. It’s much better today though. But definitely noticeable if you stay on a phone to long of a time.

          • @ShadowCatEXE
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            110 months ago

            The benefit of iOS is it’s optimization towards the hardware it runs on. Android isn’t just Samsung. You have Xiaomi, Samsung, Pixel, OnePlus, Asus, Huawei, Oppo… And the list goes on. All these variations in hardware (flagship and lower end devices) that Android has to support makes optimization far more difficult, making high RAM capacities such a desirable feature (although, not the only reason for why some devices struggle).

            Software has matured so much that these concerns of iOS vs Android performance does not matter all that much anymore. Each function great in their own way.

            • @scarabic
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              110 months ago

              As open source, I don’t see why Android can’t be optimized for its hardware, or its hardware developed optimally for the software.

              They just don’t do this.

              • @ShadowCatEXE
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                110 months ago

                It’s not that they don’t want to, it’s that it doesn’t make sense. Android (Google) does optimize for a broad range of hardware, but it would be a waste of time for them to optimize for specific devices.

                Their pixel lineup runs stock Android. That’s what Google offers, so that’s what you’ll get.

                However, companies like Samsung do ship their devices with custom software, which allows them to optimize it to their hardware (though I’m not sure how much). Then you have the option to install (if the software supports the hardware) an alternative OS (Calyx, Graphene, Lineage, etc). This can remove bloatware and allows the option to de-google your device… Resulting in a better performing device.

                Apple is lucky in the sense that they own their own hardware and software. Android owns the software, not the hardware.

                • @scarabic
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                  110 months ago

                  When I said “they” I meant OEMs. Google can’t force them all to optimize. But I don’t see why an OEM can’t do exactly what Apple does.

                  • @ShadowCatEXE
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                    110 months ago

                    Ah, I misunderstood.

                    Device manufactures certainly can optimize certain things for their device. Samsung for example has OneUI, which is Samsungs responsibility to optimize. However, just like Google can’t control how manufacturers optimize their OS, Samsung can’t force Google to optimize it for them.

                    I’d imagine a good amount of manufacturers would rather have Google optimize the OS rather than fund a whole team to do what Google should be doing anyways. Then this goes back to what I said where optimization is difficult due to the wide range in hardware.

                    My mention of alternate OS’s still apply, as they do serve a purpose in trying to optimize and debloat Android. However they also don’t just target a specific manufacturer, but a wide range of devices.

                    In other words, Android has matured a LOT since it’s infancy, so it runs quite well on most high end devices. Ignoring specs, you likely won’t tell much of a difference (if at all) when actually using an Apple or high end Android device.