• @kava
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      People have altered their sex/gender in birth certificates for decades, changed their names for centuries.

      This is not true. It was not legally possible in Kansas to do this until 2019, where there was a court ruling that made it possible. It was not ever done in Kansas.

      I told you why I give a damn. Official documents should represent reality. We should not alter history to make someone feel better. Road to hell is paved with good intentions. I’ve elaborated on this quite a bit actually, none of which you seem to be reading?

      • BolexForSoup
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        You have not made an argument about why this document is so sacred. Why does it matter if the occasional person formally submits a change to a document people alter all the time?

        You are also incorrect about whether or not people can change their birth certificates in Kansas. And a cursory Google search would show you multiple state websites detailing the parameters for doing just that. You can hide behind the fact that sex/gender was specifically protected/added in kansas in 2019 (and clearly with good reason!) but the birth certificate has never been considered some sacred, immutable document. People have changed it for a very long time in multiple states. You can pull up the form for Texas adoptees straight up throw out the old and create a new one right now.

        You’re also acting like if we change our birth certificates there’s literally no way for people to know what it said before, which is absolutely ludicrous as well.

        This entire decision was for one reason: to hurt people who don’t fit nearly into a gender binary chosen for them. It’s republicans waging social war. That’s it. And until you can provide proof it isn’t about that you’re simply siding with bigots. Bigots who have never batted an eye at changing the birth certificate for adoptive kids by their parents Note: this is a form for Kansas citizens. But suddenly they all are mad when you or I want to change one single identifier to be more accurate for ourselves. Ridiculous.

        They’re so brazen they didn’t even just say “birth certificates can never be altered” to give even a veneer of a legitimate reason. They specifically left carve outs for situations they deem worthy. So no, the document needs to be exactly the same as it was recorded is not a real argument when there are other reasons they allow you to alter it.

        “We shouldn’t alter history” is too dramatic to even address, especially since (like I linked above) Kansas has no issue with other things being changed.