hey folks, here’s a quick update on our decision to defederate from
sh.itjust.works! (and here’s sh.itjust.works
[https://sh.itjust.works/post/129725]’s side of this update) we got in touch
with the head admin over there, The Dude, and we had a pretty good chat about
our concerns and reason for defederating. while immediate re-federation is just
bluntly off the table with the rudimentary state of Lemmy’s moderation tools, we
now have a pretty good idea of the roadmap to refederating with them. we think
we’ll eventually be able to do this, although we don’t have a timetable on when
yet. we’re also now collaborating with him on how to move forward–and in the
weeks and months to come we’ll be pushing to expedite the process of developing
some of the necessary tools. this decision has really helped us make connections
that can hopefully realize those tools both on the desktop side and in apps
being developed for Lemmy. we’re also hoping to collaborate with other Lemmy
administrators who have needs like our own, or just generally want more granular
tools at their disposal. we did also get in touch with the lemmy.world owner
prior to defederating to share the concerns that prompted us to
defederate[^1]–but we have not received any communication from him since it was
levied, so there’s no roadmap at all there as of now. we’re always open to
reconsidering and collaborating to end the defederation with him, but for now
the earliest i can give you is “when mod tools are in a better state”. that’s
all for now folks. if any new significant developments take place we’ll announce
them as needed. [^1]: we’re only bringing this up now because it was just not
useful information in the context of our announcement. it almost certainly would
have been interpreted as some sort of callousness and/or brought unnecessary
sectarianism and grief to him. at the end of the day he has his reasons and
desires for running lemmy.world how he does, and we have ours for running Beehaw
as we do. because of social and technological circumstances those are just
incompatible right now, and that’s fine.
(Posting to lemmy.world seems to be disabled so I’m posting this here instead.)
This inconsistency has been bothering me, so I went poking around in their support community, and the best I could find was a statement saying they had reached out to the admins of both. Apparently they expected @[email protected] to reply to something that didn’t seem like a question as indicated by his response in Beehaw Support. As such, they claim to have no roadmap to eventually refederate with lemmy.world.
I added a reply from another instance, but I’m guessing I won’t receive a reponse so if anyone knows, I would like to better understand the issue. It’s quite annoying feeling like I’m missing out, especially when I’m seeing inflammatory overly generalized statements from kbin.social users about how lemmy.world deserved to be defederated over in this post on lemmy.ml.
I read that there were some people with accounts at lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works that went into their communities and were rude, inflammatory, and not following their rules so I think it’s more of a ‘punishing the many for the actions of the few’ situation. Maybe they were getting overrun, maybe there were a ton of rule breakers, or maybe they just didn’t want to deal with the huge surge of users. Hard to say.
I haven’t been in their communities so I don’t know if maybe they have much more strict rules that people weren’t following or what. Or maybe people were bringing a vibe they weren’t fond of - they may have that insular community feel and maybe too many people moved into their neighborhood that threw off their block parties, I don’t know. I personally don’t feel the loss because I’m not in their communities but I do feel kinda sad that someone federated with both might see people commenting the exact same thing but they can’t see each other so they can’t just interact with each other.
Yeah, they can definitely have their rules and it’s on everyone who steps over there to follow them for sure. They can run their instance and communities however they want, that’s the beauty of this whole system. It’s just unfortunate that they blocked a couple general population instances without specifically contrary rules and beliefs because a couple people were being jerks (if that’s what’s been happening).
I took one look at the block list that beehaw has, and it immediately became clear they just block pretty much everything.
That’s the way a lot of the legacy lemmyverse is. They’re an enforced echo chamber. Unless you want to be the exact same echo chamber, you’re not allowed.
I didn’t even know I was on their block list until I checked their block list. I was subscribe to a bunch of their communities and participating through lotide, but instead of blocking the subdomain they blocked a magazine website with no federation features.
Look at the modlog https://beehaw.org/modlog and you’ll see it was five users, six or seven actions. The more I try to understand, the less sense this makes to me…
I read that there were some people with accounts at lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works that went into their communities and were rude, inflammatory, and not following their rules so I think it’s more of a ‘punishing the many for the actions of the few’ situation. Maybe they were getting overrun, maybe there were a ton of rule breakers, or maybe they just didn’t want to deal with the huge surge of users. Hard to say.
I haven’t been in their communities so I don’t know if maybe they have much more strict rules that people weren’t following or what. Or maybe people were bringing a vibe they weren’t fond of - they may have that insular community feel and maybe too many people moved into their neighborhood that threw off their block parties, I don’t know. I personally don’t feel the loss because I’m not in their communities but I do feel kinda sad that someone federated with both might see people commenting the exact same thing but they can’t see each other so they can’t just interact with each other.
They have strict rules.
…Not to say they’re unreasonable rules.
Yeah, they can definitely have their rules and it’s on everyone who steps over there to follow them for sure. They can run their instance and communities however they want, that’s the beauty of this whole system. It’s just unfortunate that they blocked a couple general population instances without specifically contrary rules and beliefs because a couple people were being jerks (if that’s what’s been happening).
I took one look at the block list that beehaw has, and it immediately became clear they just block pretty much everything.
That’s the way a lot of the legacy lemmyverse is. They’re an enforced echo chamber. Unless you want to be the exact same echo chamber, you’re not allowed.
I didn’t even know I was on their block list until I checked their block list. I was subscribe to a bunch of their communities and participating through lotide, but instead of blocking the subdomain they blocked a magazine website with no federation features.
Look at the modlog https://beehaw.org/modlog and you’ll see it was five users, six or seven actions. The more I try to understand, the less sense this makes to me…