The Trump Organization is trying to determine the sweep of Tuesday’s ruling that Donald Trump is liable for fraud and what it means for the future of the former president’s namesake business, his attorneys say.
At a pre-trial hearing Wednesday, Trump attorneys said they didn’t know to which part of the company the ruling applied and were starting to work out what may need to be dissolved to comply with the judge’s surprise decision.
Officials from New York Attorney General Letitia James’ office also said they needed more time to go through the order.
The fraud case “changed significantly since yesterday,” New York Judge Arthur Engoron said in court Wednesday, referring to his stunning ruling where he found Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud and canceled the Trump Organization’s business certification.
Oh yeah? How are you measuring the will of people to be so certain?
Again, where’s your proof? All the other things are objectively measurable, but you assume that it’s the intangible one because that’s convenient to you.
It definitely is. YOU try working the equivalent of two full time jobs and take care of a family on top of that, still unable to make ends meet. See how much energy you have left for literally ANYTHING else.
But not all. Most of the ones with the most restrictions on it were amongst the states Trump won. Yet another case of measurable voter.
Because of the many measurable reasons I’ve mentioned and to a much smaller extent the theoretical one you want to blame it all on for convenience.
Yep. One that can be tackled by addressing the many tangible reasons rather than just yelling at people for unproven assumptions.
Yeah, I’m downvoting misinformation and assumptions based on nothing concrete. That’s not disenfranchisement or censorship or whatever else you imagine it to be. Nothing ironic about that.
No, I’m choosing to express my opposition to misinformation using the tools available to me. If I was to downvote someone claiming Trump won in 2020, would you complain about that too? What about someone claiming that vaccines give you covid?
Not all utterances are of equal value. Your downplaying of proven problems in favor of your gut feeling based on party strategist propaganda is misinformation and thus of little value if not downright harmful.
No, you’re following a narrative, not data. If people were having problems voting to the extent you are claiming, then we’d have similar voting levels to historical levels in the states with similar rules. We don’t. It’s dropped.
We’d also have a large decrease in voters in the states that are restrictive or gerrymandered. We don’t. It’s a measurable reduction and skews to certain populations.
You’re claiming facts, while providing no data. Then saying mine is from my gut while the data backs it up.
Heck, you can even stop comparing us states and start looking at the difference between countries. You can even look at the difference in elections that have a president on the ticket and the ones that don’t. Which of your reasons so you think causes that discrepancy?
So you’re saying that the fact that, in a country with ever-increasing and evermore effective voter suppression, voter participation dropping is proof positive that it has nothing to do with it? What kind of backwards ass logic is that?
Absolute populations are increasing while voter participation as a percentage is decreasing.
Yeah, disenfranchised populations. Still doesn’t prove your apathy hypothesis
You want data? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/28/state-voting-rights-election-laws-police-suppression
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/voter-suppression-barriers-college-students/
What data? Not only have you provided exactly as much data as I did before this comment, but you’ve also invented causal relationships for which there’s no proof at all.
You mean other countries that work fewer hours, have a higher minimum wage, have plenty of polling places in every district and just generally makes it much easier to vote than in the US? Gee, must be because voters are less apathetic there!
People are conditioned by the media to believe that presidential elections are the most important ones, so employers and educational institutions are more likely to give employees and students leeway to vote than for “midterm” elections.
The difference between claiming data and not is that I’m agreeing that your points have merit. You’re ignoring mine.
I have provided examples. You haven’t disproved them, you’ve disregarded the .
Neither of yoir links show my opinion as false. They reinforce your assertion, which I agree with but they don’t quantify it.
No I mean every country worldwide. Those with more or less holiday pay. Those with more or less voting restrictions.
Lol, so people vote more when they think it’s important. The corraly is that they vote less when they think it is less important. Also called apathy. Which state do you think has the least gerrymandering and voter suppression?
First I’ve heard of you agreeing. And no, I’m not ignoring your baseless claims, I’m calling them out for being baseless. It’s a significant difference.
You have provided arguments, not examples.
I also haven’t disproven that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit.
You can’t prove a negative. I refer you back to the teapot.
They’re imperical proof that the things I claim actually happen. That they don’t quantify it doesn’t imply that your unproven claims must be true.
All well-functioning democracies have better facilitation of voting than the US and higher voter participation. That they have both of those things in common is no coincidence.
That’s an interpretation ignoring a ton of known data in favor of your unproven hypothesis. Ever hear of confirmation bias?
I have no idea and that’s fine since it’s irrelevant.
Ah, so it’s a comprehension problem. Well, no point wasting my time then.
The point of asking for the least gerrymandered state was to show the differences in a state of your choosing, without me cherrypicking data.
The fact that they don’t quantify it is my point. Youre making assertions of fact without the data to back it up. I’m pointing to flaws in your data and offering examples that show your assertions are incorrect.