• @FooBarrington
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    91 year ago

    This is part of the problem. Instead of solid primitives you have to implement them yourself or pull in a library, both of which you have to hope are compatible with other libraries (or you have to convert manually all the time).

    How many people who write their own string implementation do you think do so perfectly? I’d guess at most 50%. This means that basic operations in a good number of apps will have unknown bugs. Fixing bugs in application logic is one thing, but having to debug low-level type implementations is not something the average developer should do.

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      11 year ago

      If don’t want to do low level programming why use C in the first place? The whole point of using C is so you can fiddle with pointers to have absolute control. Rust and Go are great alternatives that have built in strings.

      • @FooBarrington
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        21 year ago

        But why does that mean C can’t implement a native string type?

        Why implement floats instead of making people do it themselves?

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          Floats are implemented on most hardware by the instruction set so the language has no control over those unless your programming on a microcontroller like an atmega328p in which case you have to implement it yourself. As for why no in built support for strings is available in C is mostly due to C programmer hating change. Most hardcore C programmers are still using C89 (and the majority C99) and you can’t change old standards. C dosen’t need more features it needs less. I am a big fan of removing for loops like Zig to make the langauge simpler. That way it can maintain its minimalism. The more minimalistic the easier to write compilers.

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            1 year ago

            Modern hardware also has specific instructions to speed up C string operations for the common ways they are implemented. We rely on compiler optimisation for those as well. Why not do the same for floats?

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              11 year ago

              Because the language already supports it. Its not a question of what modern hardware can do just backwards compatibility and not changing the language too much. There would be no point in adding these features because if you want them you can just use Modern C++. There is no need for two identical languages occupying the same niche.

              • @FooBarrington
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                11 year ago

                I’m not arguing for C implementing classes and all other C++ features, only for a basic data type used in most programs. Backwards compatibility is also a pretty poor argument considering new versions of C are released every couple of years with new features, already breaking backwards compatibility. Why is this specific change too much?