I want to point out that this is Lemmy, and the overton window is shifted here. That only certain north-western European countries are more left wing than America.
My point is, that dems are in fact left wing. It’s a subjective claim, to be sure, but when most of the world is to the right of America, and the leftmost major party of America falls inline with a lot of the left wing views, (like with transpeople and abortion), surely they’re left wing enough.
I think you and I have fundementally different ideas of what is left and what is right. And fair enough, the terms are quite vague. Are we talking socially like with trans people, economically like with communism, both?
In any case, I think of America as center-left, with a lot of political diversity, and dems to the left of that median. Generally speaking of course.
Joe Biden is a conservative/centrist. We’re you expecting something else?
The fuck are you talking about? Biden is left wing socially.
Barely. The rest of his politics are right wing.
In any case, he is a dem.
I want to point out that this is Lemmy, and the overton window is shifted here. That only certain north-western European countries are more left wing than America.
The same applies to the democratic party. At best they act like centrists, at worst like right wingers depending on the issue.
There’s a reason why “how is the best case scenario Joe Biden” god spread around as a meme among leftists.
I’m pretty sure that window was always left wing on Lemmy. The “original” instance to my understanding, lemmy.ml, is very left wing.
That’s been the case for at least two centuries.
My point is, that dems are in fact left wing. It’s a subjective claim, to be sure, but when most of the world is to the right of America, and the leftmost major party of America falls inline with a lot of the left wing views, (like with transpeople and abortion), surely they’re left wing enough.
In the hyper right wing U.S., sure, but on an absolute scale not even close.
Yeah, that’s not true.
I think you and I have fundementally different ideas of what is left and what is right. And fair enough, the terms are quite vague. Are we talking socially like with trans people, economically like with communism, both?
In any case, I think of America as center-left, with a lot of political diversity, and dems to the left of that median. Generally speaking of course.
I generally mean both when I use those terms.
If you were just talking about the people itself and not existing policy, sure, only barely. But you can’t just ignore existing policy.