If the US hadn’t continually expanded NATO eastward against its stated promises, and hadn’t affected a coup in Ukraine in 2014, and hadn’t flooded Ukraine with weapons under the Trump & Biden administrations, then the Russian invasion probably wouldn’t have happened in the first place.
You’re both framing his invasion of Ukraine as a struggle against NATO expansion, which is the same excuse he gives for his “special military operation”
It was framed that way for decades by people on the left and also by centrists like Jeffery Sachs and by right-wing, realpolitik ghouls like Henry Kissinger and John Mearsheimer.
And Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem, which American media used to cover before Russia’s invasion, and then after the invasion it suddenly was considered Russian disinformation.
Maybe if Putin wasn’t such a dickweed countries wouldn’t want to join together for defense against them. Nah, it’s just NATO being aggressive by checks notes organizing for mutual defense. And unions are gangs that prey on innocent business owners.
Also, good job on doing the Party Line Pivot™ to denazification, ignoring the ethnic cleansing Russia is doing in Ukraine, the racist and homophobic nature of Putin’s Russia, and the fact that Zelenskyy is Jewish. Oh, and how Russia was the one invading places to get some “living room.”
Turns out it’s more complicated than “person does bad things, and so every single action and affect of their action is completely cartoonishly evil”. Doesn’t mean some things they do AREN’T, don’t get me wrong.
If the US hadn’t continually expanded NATO eastward against its stated promises, and hadn’t affected a coup in Ukraine in 2014, and hadn’t flooded Ukraine with weapons under the Trump & Biden administrations, then the Russian invasion probably wouldn’t have happened in the first place.
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He’s a war criminal who bombed his own people within his own borders in order to get into power. There are virtually no leftists who are confused about what kind of person Putin is.
Then why are you - and Chomsky - making excuses for him?
We’re not making excuses for him.
You’re both framing his invasion of Ukraine as a struggle against NATO expansion, which is the same excuse he gives for his “special military operation”
It was framed that way for decades by people on the left and also by centrists like Jeffery Sachs and by right-wing, realpolitik ghouls like Henry Kissinger and John Mearsheimer.
And Ukraine really does have a Nazi problem, which American media used to cover before Russia’s invasion, and then after the invasion it suddenly was considered Russian disinformation.
Maybe if Putin wasn’t such a dickweed countries wouldn’t want to join together for defense against them. Nah, it’s just NATO being aggressive by checks notes organizing for mutual defense. And unions are gangs that prey on innocent business owners.
Also, good job on doing the Party Line Pivot™ to denazification, ignoring the ethnic cleansing Russia is doing in Ukraine, the racist and homophobic nature of Putin’s Russia, and the fact that Zelenskyy is Jewish. Oh, and how Russia was the one invading places to get some “living room.”
Turns out it’s more complicated than “person does bad things, and so every single action and affect of their action is completely cartoonishly evil”. Doesn’t mean some things they do AREN’T, don’t get me wrong.