Microsoft might just be planning to make the next generation of Windows a cloud-based, subscription service. While we have already had evidence of the former, fresh new leak hints at the latter too.
ive heard fedora was bought by ibm or something now they go close source? ubuntu goes bad too with snaps? debian not for beginners i think and how old does it get? I want stability subscribing is way easier im not 15 anymore
Fedora is not closed source. Snaps don’t matter for your average user. Debian is fine for beginners. These distros are all very stable, and none of them are going to make you pay for them when they upgrade.
ok its open source until red hat says so theyre sold now, ubuntu is at the mercy of canonical’s whims too, debian i know it doesnt change for a long time, idk how long until apps break etc. I have no reason to dump microsoft thats already working and my windows programs for a less evil big corp
There are plenty of completely community run distros. I’m not trying to make you switch to Linux, just pointing out that your reasoning wasn’t right. If you’re comfortable and don’t care about FOSS, privacy, ownership of your OS, etc., then Windows is fine.
Then you’re installing the OS anyways, and with Linux you’re skipping the whole “buying a license from a shady reseller” part because there is no payments or license keys involved. And it is much easier to install a friendly distribution like Linux Mint, than to install Windows. The Windows installer looks almost as archaic as the Debian installer.
why assume I use shady reseller? every big electronics chain sells windows licenses. window installer looking “archaic” ? u advocate for amd too bcs nvidia control panel looks archaic too? zero windows issues mentioned so far
Point is, shady resellers make you pay 20-30 bucks, official stores make you pay even more, with Linux you pay nothing.
Now onto the Windows issues:
Crazy system requirements. You can bypass them, but the real question is: why do you have to even bother bypassing them in the first place?
Crazy resource usage. You can debloat Windows with something like CTT’s winutil, but the resource usage still isn’t close to the heaviest Linux desktop (GNOME).
Telemetry aka data collection, also called spying in some circles. You can disable most of it with the aforementioned winutil, but even then you can’t be sure that it was all stripped out.
Ads. Again, most, but you can never be sure if all, have been removed with third party tools.
And can I just ask: why do you even have to bother with using extra third party tools to do all that? In Linux, it comes disabled out of the box, and most of it doesn’t even exist.
Worse install process. It takes much longer, you have to go through workarounds to ensure you can bypass the forced usage of a Microsoft account. The install and setup process, from booting the iso, to logging into your installed system takes longer on Windows (I’ve had it take about 30 minutes sometimes, while a typical Linux install would take about 10-15 minutes)
Choice. You don’t like the default Windows-like paradigm? How about a MacOS-like one, or a completely unique one? You want something that has very few customisation options (Cinnamon, GNOME), or something extremely customisable (KDE Plasma, Standalone Window Managers like Openbox, AwesomeWM, Qtile etc.)
Customisability. You don’t like the default window decorations? Or your bar? You want it to be a floating dock, you want it on one side, or at the top? You want to use a tiling window manager, with their extreme customisability? You can do all that on Linux. There are projects that attempt that on Windows, but they are just gimmicks at the end of the day, because gou can’t actually replace the proper Windows shell. Technically, you could do it in the past, but all of these projects are basically dead and none of them offer tiling so…
Freedom. Linux isn’t just free as in beer, it is also free as in Freedom. Thousands of volunteers work tirelessly on the various projects that come together to male up your distribution of choice. And most of them do it for free because they like the project and more often than not, because they use it themselves.
Security. Even out of the box, if you are to compare the list of vulnerabilities for Windows and Linux systems, you will find multiple remote code execution, and iirc, privilege escalation vulnerabilities on Windows. This means that if an attacker wanted to, they could execute malicious code as admin remotely, without ever touching the system.
Exclusive features. You might have heard that only in the last few years, Microsoft has started to include things like a decent terminal experience, the winget package manager, full disk encryption, tabs in the file manager, etc. all of which are features that have existed on Linux for years, if not decades. There are some that still keep on making their way on Windows, when they have existed for many years on Linux, such as floating taskbars (which is apparently coming to Windows 12), while some features (like Changing the position of the bar) are actually being removed on Windows!
I’m sure there’s more but that’s all I can think of, off the top of my head.
No such thing on Linux. There are updates. You want to apply them? Okay, go on. You don’t? Okay, that’s alright too.
And something else: you don’t have to reboot. You only have to reboot on Linux if you are doing a kernel upgrade. If you’re upgrading anything else, it’s perfectly fine.
what crazy system requirements i have same motherboard since 2015. win10 supported until 2025, windows makes me change motherboard every decade 😠
every thread i read about gnome people are complaining idk whats going on but its obv not ready yet
why would i want to bypass miccrosoft account i made one with an email in 2 minutes 10 years ago, linux takes 10 minutes less? its ok i install my os once per decade ill take a 10 minute loss
no customization options?I change my taskbar colour, my wallpaper, my starting menu tiles idk what more I need
security issues? as always i dont open random exe and never had viruses
exclusive features? what wrong with terminal i open it and type commands is linux one more luxurious? idc. idk what winget package manager, full disk encryption do never affected me
forced updates, i dont know enough to skip them plus u like security so u should be glad people are up to date right
rebooting system this isnt 2010 i have ssd, sneezing takes me longer, 2-3 restarts per month? whatever
no actual issues, all programs i want are on windows, free is not enough reason to migrate
edit plus ive already paid for my os so i dont earn anything by migrating atm
They were just specifying good prebuilds. The only hardware that would cause problems would be niche proprietary parts on laptops and prebuilds. All custom-builds will work fine the large majority of the time.
I actually switched to Linux because windows 10 shit the bed and reinstalling was too much of a pain. Like setting up gpos to make updating manual, removing the crap from the start menu and making search fast like windows 7, downloading every single program I need and going through the install for every one, all of that would have taken like a day. Instead I went fuck it and installed pop OS, took like 30 min to get it just right.
I have had to do less maintenance than windows with linux as well. That install lasted for 2 years until my motherboard died because old. The old install worked perfectly with the new mobo and CPU but I wanted to try Manjaro instead. I have not needed to troubleshoot anything with Manjaro yet and it’s been like 6 months.
updating gpu is just two clicks through geforce experience, if I even want new drivers. Start menu is just tiles with programs I choose to pin, what “crap” is there? Downloading programs takes you a day? You have a pentium or something? And why would it take you sooner to install them on linux?
On Linux the driver is on the kernel so I don’t need to do anything other than normal system updates to get a new version.
The start menu in Windows 10 is like full of useless crap by default, like some mobile game looking bullshit and newspaper articles. Also the search is awful by default, finding things online and folders even though I only use it to start applications quickly.
Mostly because you need to find the download for said program and go through the install wizard. With 30+ programs and drivers that adds up. With Linux I just searched for it in the app store and pressed install for each (With the bonus of nit needing to install drivers)
They massively broke search in windows 10, it worked fine in 7 and 8 but is slow and will likely return wrong results starting with 10. For example if I want the registry editor I’ll press the window key and type ‘reg’, the first result used to be the registry editor but when I last used it the top result was a folder resulting in opening that folder when pressing enter. You can revert how search functions with a 3th party tool which is what I always ended up doing, I think it was called classic shell but it was years ago.
In Linux you can compile it for yourself if you are so inclined, you can change literally anything then. I have never needed to change the install location for applications so it’s not really something I would prefer if the downside is I have to find the installer and go through the install wizard for each.
With Linux I can also install every single application I need with a simple single command and move over the home folder if I need a new install for any reason and everything is like before, making a fresh install take like 10 minutes.
Then I’m glad they finally fixed it. The 2 years I used Windows 10 it was completely broken. You kinda need the registry editor if you don’t have the pro edition, it’s the only way to make updates manual then.
Double click what? You can’t double click to install 30+ applications at once. I guess only if you create the installer but thats even more steps.
My windows install managed to shit itself badly enough at least one every year. The final one was when an update corrupted one database related to the start menu resulting in a BSOD when trying to open it. There is no way to regenerate that database apparently, only fix was a full reinstall.
I’d rather subscribe to windows than troubleshooting linux
Sadly this is how I feel too.
You don’t need to troubleshoot Linux any more than Windows these days. Especially if you get your machine from a Linux-friendly supplier.
Who and where are these Linux-friendly suppliers? This is already more complicated than windows bud
debian ubuntu fedora…
ive heard fedora was bought by ibm or something now they go close source? ubuntu goes bad too with snaps? debian not for beginners i think and how old does it get? I want stability subscribing is way easier im not 15 anymore
Red Hat is owned by IBM but that’s more geared toward enterprise.
Fedora is open source.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/best-linux-desktops-for-beginners/
Fedora is not closed source. Snaps don’t matter for your average user. Debian is fine for beginners. These distros are all very stable, and none of them are going to make you pay for them when they upgrade.
ok its open source until red hat says so theyre sold now, ubuntu is at the mercy of canonical’s whims too, debian i know it doesnt change for a long time, idk how long until apps break etc. I have no reason to dump microsoft thats already working and my windows programs for a less evil big corp
There are plenty of completely community run distros. I’m not trying to make you switch to Linux, just pointing out that your reasoning wasn’t right. If you’re comfortable and don’t care about FOSS, privacy, ownership of your OS, etc., then Windows is fine.
System76, Tuxedo, Juno come to mind. Even Dell has a Linux range I think.
what if i dont want prebuilt
Then you’re installing the OS anyways, and with Linux you’re skipping the whole “buying a license from a shady reseller” part because there is no payments or license keys involved. And it is much easier to install a friendly distribution like Linux Mint, than to install Windows. The Windows installer looks almost as archaic as the Debian installer.
why assume I use shady reseller? every big electronics chain sells windows licenses. window installer looking “archaic” ? u advocate for amd too bcs nvidia control panel looks archaic too? zero windows issues mentioned so far
Point is, shady resellers make you pay 20-30 bucks, official stores make you pay even more, with Linux you pay nothing.
Now onto the Windows issues:
Crazy system requirements. You can bypass them, but the real question is: why do you have to even bother bypassing them in the first place?
Crazy resource usage. You can debloat Windows with something like CTT’s winutil, but the resource usage still isn’t close to the heaviest Linux desktop (GNOME).
Telemetry aka data collection, also called spying in some circles. You can disable most of it with the aforementioned winutil, but even then you can’t be sure that it was all stripped out.
Ads. Again, most, but you can never be sure if all, have been removed with third party tools.
And can I just ask: why do you even have to bother with using extra third party tools to do all that? In Linux, it comes disabled out of the box, and most of it doesn’t even exist.
Worse install process. It takes much longer, you have to go through workarounds to ensure you can bypass the forced usage of a Microsoft account. The install and setup process, from booting the iso, to logging into your installed system takes longer on Windows (I’ve had it take about 30 minutes sometimes, while a typical Linux install would take about 10-15 minutes)
Choice. You don’t like the default Windows-like paradigm? How about a MacOS-like one, or a completely unique one? You want something that has very few customisation options (Cinnamon, GNOME), or something extremely customisable (KDE Plasma, Standalone Window Managers like Openbox, AwesomeWM, Qtile etc.)
Customisability. You don’t like the default window decorations? Or your bar? You want it to be a floating dock, you want it on one side, or at the top? You want to use a tiling window manager, with their extreme customisability? You can do all that on Linux. There are projects that attempt that on Windows, but they are just gimmicks at the end of the day, because gou can’t actually replace the proper Windows shell. Technically, you could do it in the past, but all of these projects are basically dead and none of them offer tiling so…
Freedom. Linux isn’t just free as in beer, it is also free as in Freedom. Thousands of volunteers work tirelessly on the various projects that come together to male up your distribution of choice. And most of them do it for free because they like the project and more often than not, because they use it themselves.
Security. Even out of the box, if you are to compare the list of vulnerabilities for Windows and Linux systems, you will find multiple remote code execution, and iirc, privilege escalation vulnerabilities on Windows. This means that if an attacker wanted to, they could execute malicious code as admin remotely, without ever touching the system.
Exclusive features. You might have heard that only in the last few years, Microsoft has started to include things like a decent terminal experience, the winget package manager, full disk encryption, tabs in the file manager, etc. all of which are features that have existed on Linux for years, if not decades. There are some that still keep on making their way on Windows, when they have existed for many years on Linux, such as floating taskbars (which is apparently coming to Windows 12), while some features (like Changing the position of the bar) are actually being removed on Windows!
I’m sure there’s more but that’s all I can think of, off the top of my head.
Edit: I forgot, No forced updates. Apparently MS is now forcing updates. Link: https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-to-force-push-23h222h2-update-as-windows-11-21h2-end-of-support-date-nears/
No such thing on Linux. There are updates. You want to apply them? Okay, go on. You don’t? Okay, that’s alright too.
And something else: you don’t have to reboot. You only have to reboot on Linux if you are doing a kernel upgrade. If you’re upgrading anything else, it’s perfectly fine.
what crazy system requirements i have same motherboard since 2015. win10 supported until 2025, windows makes me change motherboard every decade 😠
every thread i read about gnome people are complaining idk whats going on but its obv not ready yet
why would i want to bypass miccrosoft account i made one with an email in 2 minutes 10 years ago, linux takes 10 minutes less? its ok i install my os once per decade ill take a 10 minute loss
no customization options?I change my taskbar colour, my wallpaper, my starting menu tiles idk what more I need
security issues? as always i dont open random exe and never had viruses
exclusive features? what wrong with terminal i open it and type commands is linux one more luxurious? idc. idk what winget package manager, full disk encryption do never affected me
forced updates, i dont know enough to skip them plus u like security so u should be glad people are up to date right
rebooting system this isnt 2010 i have ssd, sneezing takes me longer, 2-3 restarts per month? whatever
no actual issues, all programs i want are on windows, free is not enough reason to migrate
edit plus ive already paid for my os so i dont earn anything by migrating atm
Then build it and install Linux as you would with Windows?
the argument was troubleshooting linux and apparently the friendly ones are in prebuilts
They were just specifying good prebuilds. The only hardware that would cause problems would be niche proprietary parts on laptops and prebuilds. All custom-builds will work fine the large majority of the time.
I actually switched to Linux because windows 10 shit the bed and reinstalling was too much of a pain. Like setting up gpos to make updating manual, removing the crap from the start menu and making search fast like windows 7, downloading every single program I need and going through the install for every one, all of that would have taken like a day. Instead I went fuck it and installed pop OS, took like 30 min to get it just right.
I have had to do less maintenance than windows with linux as well. That install lasted for 2 years until my motherboard died because old. The old install worked perfectly with the new mobo and CPU but I wanted to try Manjaro instead. I have not needed to troubleshoot anything with Manjaro yet and it’s been like 6 months.
updating gpu is just two clicks through geforce experience, if I even want new drivers. Start menu is just tiles with programs I choose to pin, what “crap” is there? Downloading programs takes you a day? You have a pentium or something? And why would it take you sooner to install them on linux?
On Linux the driver is on the kernel so I don’t need to do anything other than normal system updates to get a new version.
The start menu in Windows 10 is like full of useless crap by default, like some mobile game looking bullshit and newspaper articles. Also the search is awful by default, finding things online and folders even though I only use it to start applications quickly.
Mostly because you need to find the download for said program and go through the install wizard. With 30+ programs and drivers that adds up. With Linux I just searched for it in the app store and pressed install for each (With the bonus of nit needing to install drivers)
with windows updating is just 1 click, after notification pops up? i dont need it any easier
whatever mobile games i uninstalled them once years ago when windows 10 was installed
search in windows explorer is always the same idk no complaints there
install wizard gives me option like install location and components i want, choices are good no? linux is faster aka it doesnt let u choose?
They massively broke search in windows 10, it worked fine in 7 and 8 but is slow and will likely return wrong results starting with 10. For example if I want the registry editor I’ll press the window key and type ‘reg’, the first result used to be the registry editor but when I last used it the top result was a folder resulting in opening that folder when pressing enter. You can revert how search functions with a 3th party tool which is what I always ended up doing, I think it was called classic shell but it was years ago.
In Linux you can compile it for yourself if you are so inclined, you can change literally anything then. I have never needed to change the install location for applications so it’s not really something I would prefer if the downside is I have to find the installer and go through the install wizard for each.
With Linux I can also install every single application I need with a simple single command and move over the home folder if I need a new install for any reason and everything is like before, making a fresh install take like 10 minutes.
just typed reg first result is registry editor
i do not want to change literally everything in os and break stuff registry is too much already
double click is much easier commands are not a selling point
i installed once in 2016 this is a non issue i dont reinstall my os as a hobby?
Then I’m glad they finally fixed it. The 2 years I used Windows 10 it was completely broken. You kinda need the registry editor if you don’t have the pro edition, it’s the only way to make updates manual then.
Double click what? You can’t double click to install 30+ applications at once. I guess only if you create the installer but thats even more steps.
My windows install managed to shit itself badly enough at least one every year. The final one was when an update corrupted one database related to the start menu resulting in a BSOD when trying to open it. There is no way to regenerate that database apparently, only fix was a full reinstall.
the most troubleshooting i’ve had to do for linux was google and get a stackexchange post and then copy and paste an apt command