Israeli airstrikes destroyed a tower block in Gaza City after Hamas militants launched a rocket and air attack on Israel in the early hours of Saturday morning.
The Israeli army launched Operation Iron Swords against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, with Israel’s president, Benjamin Netanyahu, saying the country, is ‘at war’.
Al Jazeera journalist Youmna El Sayed was reporting live from Gaza the moment the missile struck Palestine Tower behind her.
Sources in Gaza said at least 198 Palestinians were killed in the strikes
So you think Israel should just accept that a genocidal terrorist organisation attacks its civilian population? Yes, Hamas uses civilians as meat shields but what are the Israelis supposed to do? Let themselves be slaughtered?
Jesus fucking Christ. Terrorist supporters all around here. I’m genuinely disgusted.
This is the same Israel with their elite mossad forces, yes? “Meat shields” are a poor excuse for indiscriminately bombing a city block when you have elite spec ops units. They don’t do it because they have no other choice, they do it as a threatening show of force. “Fuck with us and we’ll kill anyone even near you”.
There’s a middle ground that doesn’t involve slaughtering innocents.
Any chance you can school me in the rights and wrongs of this situation, I have tried to read up on the situation between Israel and Palestine and I just can’t work out who, if anyone is at fault. It just seems like a crazy unresolvable mess.
On the face of it I would just think the solution is to let the Palestinians have their bit of land and be done with it, why is it not that simple?
Also it’s really hard to understand who is justified in their actions. I often find myself feeling sorry for the Palestinians but then I see them riding through London celebration the murder of innocent people and it makes it really hard for me to feel sorry for them. Similarly with Israelis, it’s horrible that they have innocent civilians murdered but killing 250 in response is just crazy…
I’m not trolling or shit posting I honestly can’t work it out.
There’s a good Louis Theroux documentary that might give some context.
Tldw, Israelites aren’t really respecting the borders - in this doco they send over zealous Jewish people from various countries to buy up and live in properties in these disputed areas to slowly take it over. Palestinians retaliate aggressively, typically violently.
Thanks all for teaching me a little about this situation, it is kind of how I had imagined it and there is no real immediate solution. I guess like any long standing conflict there are failings on both sides and neither willing to capitulate. As has been alluded to, it just does not seem to warrant the loss of life on both sides. I might do a little bit of reading on the local politics to see how this is played out to their respective populations.
Louis Theroux is always a good call!
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No, Jewish people from various countries. Radical fucks reach out to Jewish communities abroad, the less educated and poorer the better, radicalise people into militant Zionism, the type that’s completely at odds with past or present facts and only knows erm manifest destiny (to draw a parallel), then brings them into Israel which is easy because Israel hands out free passports to all Jews.
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It really doesn’t make a difference in the end though, does it, whether people first arrive and then are radicalised (you can’t set foot into a settlement without meeting awful but well-organised people, we’re not talking about Hippie Kibbutzim), or whether you’re radicalised before arriving, or whether the outreach programmes directly indoctrinate abroad or wait until the inevitable happens.
…I’ll freely admit that I’m not deep into the details. I’m simply going off my Aunt’s rants who actually lives in the country.
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So, depends on the incident in question who’s at fault changes, but the ones with the power to change the situation are Israel and they’re not doing that. Indiscriminately killing civilians is never justified, but with how Israel has been treating Palestinians you can understand where the attitude came from. People tend to hate the shit out of their oppressors, especially when those oppressors put them in open air concentration camps.
That aside there’s Israeli settlement in the West bank and East Jerusalem, the whole Apartheid thing, y’know it’s a long list. Basically Israel created a situation where terrorism and other armed action is the only way to fight back, which predictably caused terrorism.
I appreciate your thoughtful response. Unfortunately it is an incredibly murky mess at this point. Say you side with Palestine and say it’s their land. Do you then kick out the people who were born on the land after the conflict started? Innocent people who’s only crime is the location of their birth? Or do you side with Israel and claim it’s their land now and do the same to Palestinians? Where do you put the people you relocate?
I won’t pretend to have an answer to that. Just pointing out that either answer has numerous problems which is part of why no solution has been reached yet. Few, if any, solution will be a “win-win”. Someone will have to concede, and neither side seems willing to right now.
That said, indiscriminate violence from either side is abhorible. I detest the death of any innocent civilian in all of this. “Two wrongs don’t make a right” and all that. Both sides have committed crimes and those responsible should all be held accountable for turning the area into a warzone.
We can also spice it up with a bit of game theory. Assumption: Most people on both sides genuinely want peace.
Addition: On both sides, fractions exist which benefit from the conflict. They gain from stirring up hate, provoking fights, portraying threats. They lose power and influence when peace talks succeed. They gain power and influence when their “partners” from the other side attack.
So yes, this is a wicked problem to solve, for many reasons.
I’ve tried, the whole situation is a shitshow right now.
That is such a weird way to phrase it. A “bit of land” like Palestinians were some kind of barbarian spawn that just showed up there.
As a Palestinian I want to personally say to you that no one needs you to be sorry for us so you can stop worrying.
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Anyone who calls the IDF careful about avoiding civilian deaths is either deeply ignorant or arguing in bad faith and seeking to legitimize a highly brutally murderous apartheid regime.
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The sheer number of civilian casaulties makes all of this irrelevant, and makes you an apartheid apologist. I don’t engage with supporters of apartheid regimes, so enjoy the block.
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Thanks for your input, it’s always good to get people’s perceptions on things, it all helps build context.
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Ah yes, perhaps you can check Wikipedia and compare the numbers of civilian casualties and tell us again, how Israel is doing everything to protect the civilians.
The truth is that after each Palestinian attack when you compare the numbers of civilian casualties you can see that they are a couple of times higher on the Palestinian side.
This tactic isn’t exactly the one screaming I want to find a long term peace solution. And mind you, I am not defending Hamas here, what they did is horrible, the problem is that neither of the sides is looking for reconciliation, which is sad, and that the innocents are the ones who suffer the most.
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And I said by the time this recent escalation ends. Meaning that this end won’t be today as the retaliation of Israel is currently ongoing and surprise surprise civilian casualties numbers are not going to be updated immediately.
Do you really believe that there won’t be any retaliation strikes from Israel that won’t involve civilian deaths on the Palestinian side? Because if you do you are a fool!
Again not defending Hamas, just saying that seeing only one side of the conflict and what their wrongdoings are isn’t the best approach in this case.
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Oh so your point is that Israeli civilian casualties matter more, right? Plus provide me with any proof that IDF soldiers are really trialed and effectively put into prison with effective sentences.
Plus the whole fact that Israel is not a member of the ICC speaks volumes about their human rights track record https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/arabs-israel-stay-sidelines-raging-democracy-battle-2023-07-26/#:~:text=While Israel says it grants,more than three times higher.
Plus it is not like Israeli politicians are not complicit by inciting racial hatred by stating that certain Palestinian villages must be erased or by continually expanding the Israeli settlements in disputed territories. So I don’t know for you but in my books that’s not exactly screaming actively looking for a peaceful solution to the problem. You should also check what pretty much every independent human rights watch group has to say about the issue.
Again not defending any civilian casualties and I wish both parties were actually looking to resolve this problem in a peaceful manner through diplomatic channels. Unfortunately that boat departed, after the Oslo accord, there are no real attempts to reconcile instead things seem to be getting worse every year with no hope in sight.
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The israelis are supposed to respect the israeli/palestinian borders and stop colonizing palestinian land.
what hamas did is terrorism and they need to be brought to justice.
and israeli leaders need to be brought to justice also.
Quick question: why does the innocent victim state have (until today) roughly 20x the casualties of the genocidal terrorist organization?
Even with the updated estimates (as I type this comment, 232 Palestinians dead since the attack and 250 Israelis dead), Israel has killed over 10x the amount of people.
So like… how’s that work?
Can’t label either side as innocent in this conflict.
This is an inhuman comment
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This is an insane thing to post, you look at a video of a bomb leveling an apartment building with people inside and your go-to is to smear those calling for humanity as rape enablers and murderers. Somewhere you lost your way
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Does this make you feel strong? Does it make you feel secure?
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of course it is, it can’t be summed up so simply. It’s misery, and we can’t lose sight of that for fear and anger, even though we must also hold those
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