• @FireRetardant
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    111 year ago

    https://youtu.be/Uhx-26GfCBU?si=xm6kjWjVBJnN-iz_

    Most bike lanes get a differnet treatment creating a tightly packed snow surface to pedal on.

    Safe bicycle infrastructure does not equal bicycle gutters. Bicycle gutters are unsafe on most roads even in the summer and were designed without winter maintaince as a consideration.

    • Flying Squid
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      -41 year ago

      Skipping through the video, those look like roads dedicated to bicycles. Unless you repurpose an entire city to be bicycle only, which is a very unlikely scenario in most places in this world with harsh winters, that really doesn’t apply to the way snowplows usually work.

      • @FireRetardant
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        121 year ago

        “Roads dedicated to bicycles”

        What do you think good, safe and dedicated bicycle infrastructure looks like? Cars and bicycles has vastly different needs and therefore should have differently built roadways.

        When your city repaves its 4-6 lane roads, it has the choice to change some of those car lanes to bicycle/pedestrian/multiuse paths.

        • Flying Squid
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          How do you think you build a good, safe and dedicated bicycle infrastructure in a city which has not been designed for it? There are roads here, like the one where my office is, that only have one access route. How do even get the delivery trucks in if you make that only road bike-only? And if you say “just build another road,” who is going to pay for that?

          Also, almost every road here has two lanes, one in each direction.

          • @[email protected]
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            61 year ago

            No bike friendly city, and very few advocates for them, are suggesting to ban motor vehicles entirely. Rather, we can structure infrastrucrue to serve both, instead of just cars.

            A 4 lane stroad can be turned into a two lane, limited access road with protected, separated bike lane and a median. This actually improves auto throughput, travel times, and emissions.

            A 2 lane residential street can have restricted parking, narrower right of way, and wide rsidewalks. This naturally slows cars, making shared right of way safer for all.

            A pedestrian zone can have moveable bollards, so that deliveries and mobility services can still access, whil keeping the street safe for people.

            In all these cases, its not about bulldozing buildings, its about changing the way we use existing land.

          • @AdrianTheFrog
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            31 year ago

            How do you think you build a good, safe and dedicated bicycle infrastructure in a city which has not been designed for it?

            The Netherlands did it. Just change construction requirements/guidelines, zoning, etc, get some biking activists, and wait 50 years. All of these problems have already been solved.

            And to answer your specific question, I think they normally close off roads to regular cars but let delivery vehicles go through. In the short amount of time the vehicle is there, people just bike/walk around it. And they also make smaller delivery vehicles, including branded cargo bikes for when the situation fits.

            • Flying Squid
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              11 year ago

              and wait 50 years

              Because we all know cities are usually able to plan things 50 years in advance…

              • @AdrianTheFrog
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                11 year ago

                No. Because infrastructure needs to be replaced every so often and after 50 years you’ll have gone through most of it. 50 years ago is around when the Netherlands switched from building car infrastructure to also building bike infrastructure.