Someone on here the other day called it payware, and that’s what it is. It’s not pay-to-play or pay-to-win, because OW2 and D4 aren’t fun to play, and there is no ending. You pay to work, then if you are interested enough to pay for cosmetics, you pay for those too. My wife and I are three levels from 100, and are dreading completing the last few levels. It feels like a part-time job, it’s miserable. We really enjoyed the last few seasons of D3. I don’t see myself continuing to play any Blizzard game after D4 season 1.
If you guys are dreading it… why not just stop playing if you guys aren’t playing with anybody else?
If a game isn’t fun, I don’t see why people would go play the game and think “I should reach this part of the game” or “I have to complete this grind”. Like I played a shitload of GTAO solo and once I realized I was basically starting to get bored and grinding out money and rep was basically becoming a second job, I dropped the game completely and moved on. Nothing is worth wasting your time on something like that imo, not even getting that sick digital cosmetic nobody will care about nor reaching an arbitrary level that won’t mean shit once the next season rolls out.
Understandable question. Sunk-cost fallacy. We paid a lot of money for the game, and we both thought it would eventually “click” or we would start having more fun (and we did honestly enjoy the campaign and leveling to around lvl 80). It just got duller to play, and the experience gained from doing a nightmare dungeon fell off a cliff. It also became useless to do helltides, world bosses, and legion events. PVP also seems non-existent (not that we were into that). Once we realized we were equally not enjoying it, we were in the high 80’s, and it just made sense to 100% the season just to see something through to the end.
Disclaimer: I very much regret buying D4, which is also part of my FOMO issues.
But if you grew up with a beloved video games series it is hard to let go. I’ve done it in the past with other games. I basically boycott EA since ME3 (that was a hard one too, breaking away mid series) & Origin, and Ubisoft since Uplay. But it’s hard when it is a franchise that you’ve spent hundreds or thousands of hours in, one that has basically no alternative like it. I know there’s other hack’n slays, but nothing like Diablo’s setting & atmosphere (maybe Wolcen, I don’t own it, because apparently it is still a trashy mess).
And the worst part is that this is all happening to the whole market. It happened to mmorpgs before and killed it, and it happens to the rest of the industry now and kills it too. Something has to radically change, because this is definitely not fun anymore.
I was very happy to have spent my 5 bucks on a KFC sandwich so I could play D4 long enough to realize I wouldn’t like the game. It had potential, but I knew with Blizz at the helm it was only a matter of time before they dropped it like StarCraft and HotS
I have asked myself this, about so many people across all types of games, and even gaming as a whole. Unfortunately I can’t offer any more insight than, that it is a very widespread idea and it definitely hurts a lot of people.
Man, same. I used a blood necro build for season 1 all the way to level 90 before realizing it wasn’t viable any more and had to switch to blood/shadow, only to see the patch for season 2 buffs op and blood builds. What a slap in the face. I’m not going to play the same build two seasons in a row now that it’s going to be a viable build. Some builds are just not viable for an entire season run, and it sucks. Greater rifts were much funner than nightmare dungeons. Leaderboards were fun for those that wanted to keep going after doing everything. D4 needs serious work. I’m done putting in my time while Blizzard sorts it out.
Pre season & season 1 I couldn’t get past the 70s. It just feels bad, it makes me feel guilty. The item shop, the fomo pass, the subpar story, the even worse season content. We’re just cows to be milked and it sucks. The games suck. The pricings suck. The predatory mechanics suck. Gaming nowadays (largely) sucks.
I think they kinda wasted a lot of potential with Lilith in making her this stereotypical cartoon villain. It’s a shame because I loved her design & voice actress.
I also hated when we tell Elias that we took care of his finger, instead of just yanking him another time and be done with it, or showing Inarius the freaking soul stone, for absolutely no reason, which we knew he would have strong feelings about. It’s like Azmodan & Diablo telling us their plan in D3 types of stupid. And of course in both cases it completely backfired, just like it did for the big bad evils in D3. And then we let a kid, influenced by Mephisto, run away with the damn thing and don’t even attempt to get after her.
I played about 80 hours of OW1 and now I’m up to 140 hours in total since Ow2 came out. Couldn’t care less about cosmetics I just like to play a few matches of quick play when I’m having some beers. Still fun to me.
Glad you are enjoying it. I played several hundred hours in OW1, and I don’t find OW2 nearly as fun. There are other games I can play that I enjoy more. I do wish there was another game that I could play for 20-40 minutes to fill that late night short-gaming-session craving.
I gotta admit, I do prefer the old 6v6 of OW1 but OW2 is still fun IMO but I’m a filthy casual. Overwatch is my only FPS game, other than that I much prefer single player games. I’m also a bit salty that I bought into OW1 about a year before OW2 came out and now I don’t even have a choice between the two which really sucks.
Someone on here the other day called it payware, and that’s what it is. It’s not pay-to-play or pay-to-win, because OW2 and D4 aren’t fun to play, and there is no ending. You pay to work, then if you are interested enough to pay for cosmetics, you pay for those too. My wife and I are three levels from 100, and are dreading completing the last few levels. It feels like a part-time job, it’s miserable. We really enjoyed the last few seasons of D3. I don’t see myself continuing to play any Blizzard game after D4 season 1.
If you guys are dreading it… why not just stop playing if you guys aren’t playing with anybody else?
If a game isn’t fun, I don’t see why people would go play the game and think “I should reach this part of the game” or “I have to complete this grind”. Like I played a shitload of GTAO solo and once I realized I was basically starting to get bored and grinding out money and rep was basically becoming a second job, I dropped the game completely and moved on. Nothing is worth wasting your time on something like that imo, not even getting that sick digital cosmetic nobody will care about nor reaching an arbitrary level that won’t mean shit once the next season rolls out.
Understandable question. Sunk-cost fallacy. We paid a lot of money for the game, and we both thought it would eventually “click” or we would start having more fun (and we did honestly enjoy the campaign and leveling to around lvl 80). It just got duller to play, and the experience gained from doing a nightmare dungeon fell off a cliff. It also became useless to do helltides, world bosses, and legion events. PVP also seems non-existent (not that we were into that). Once we realized we were equally not enjoying it, we were in the high 80’s, and it just made sense to 100% the season just to see something through to the end.
Disclaimer: I very much regret buying D4, which is also part of my FOMO issues.
But if you grew up with a beloved video games series it is hard to let go. I’ve done it in the past with other games. I basically boycott EA since ME3 (that was a hard one too, breaking away mid series) & Origin, and Ubisoft since Uplay. But it’s hard when it is a franchise that you’ve spent hundreds or thousands of hours in, one that has basically no alternative like it. I know there’s other hack’n slays, but nothing like Diablo’s setting & atmosphere (maybe Wolcen, I don’t own it, because apparently it is still a trashy mess).
And the worst part is that this is all happening to the whole market. It happened to mmorpgs before and killed it, and it happens to the rest of the industry now and kills it too. Something has to radically change, because this is definitely not fun anymore.
I was very happy to have spent my 5 bucks on a KFC sandwich so I could play D4 long enough to realize I wouldn’t like the game. It had potential, but I knew with Blizz at the helm it was only a matter of time before they dropped it like StarCraft and HotS
I’m sooooo happy I skipped D4. And I have like 5k hours in D2 and D2R, and around 700 in D3.
Seeing their plans for D4, though… made it go from “maybe I’ll wait a week” to “maybe I’ll wait a year” and at this point it’s “maybe I’ll don’t.”
I have asked myself this, about so many people across all types of games, and even gaming as a whole. Unfortunately I can’t offer any more insight than, that it is a very widespread idea and it definitely hurts a lot of people.
I’ve played Diablo since d1 came out. D4 has some promise but the end game suuucks. I’m so done with Blizzard.
Man, same. I used a blood necro build for season 1 all the way to level 90 before realizing it wasn’t viable any more and had to switch to blood/shadow, only to see the patch for season 2 buffs op and blood builds. What a slap in the face. I’m not going to play the same build two seasons in a row now that it’s going to be a viable build. Some builds are just not viable for an entire season run, and it sucks. Greater rifts were much funner than nightmare dungeons. Leaderboards were fun for those that wanted to keep going after doing everything. D4 needs serious work. I’m done putting in my time while Blizzard sorts it out.
Pre season & season 1 I couldn’t get past the 70s. It just feels bad, it makes me feel guilty. The item shop, the fomo pass, the subpar story, the even worse season content. We’re just cows to be milked and it sucks. The games suck. The pricings suck. The predatory mechanics suck. Gaming nowadays (largely) sucks.
I was actually okay with the campaign story. It wasn’t particularly memorable, but it was leaps over D3, which I know is a low bar.
I think they kinda wasted a lot of potential with Lilith in making her this stereotypical cartoon villain. It’s a shame because I loved her design & voice actress.
I also hated when we tell Elias that we took care of his finger, instead of just yanking him another time and be done with it, or showing Inarius the freaking soul stone, for absolutely no reason, which we knew he would have strong feelings about. It’s like Azmodan & Diablo telling us their plan in D3 types of stupid. And of course in both cases it completely backfired, just like it did for the big bad evils in D3. And then we let a kid, influenced by Mephisto, run away with the damn thing and don’t even attempt to get after her.
I disagree that OW2 is not fun to play. People playing only for skins or rewards have the wrong idea entirely.
I’m just mad that I bought OW1 and they forced me to OW2.
Agreed. I wish they would go back to 6v6. I can see why they wouldn’t want to have two separate queues. Queue times are long enough already.
Fair enough. out of curiosity, did you play much OW1?
I played about 80 hours of OW1 and now I’m up to 140 hours in total since Ow2 came out. Couldn’t care less about cosmetics I just like to play a few matches of quick play when I’m having some beers. Still fun to me.
Glad you are enjoying it. I played several hundred hours in OW1, and I don’t find OW2 nearly as fun. There are other games I can play that I enjoy more. I do wish there was another game that I could play for 20-40 minutes to fill that late night short-gaming-session craving.
I gotta admit, I do prefer the old 6v6 of OW1 but OW2 is still fun IMO but I’m a filthy casual. Overwatch is my only FPS game, other than that I much prefer single player games. I’m also a bit salty that I bought into OW1 about a year before OW2 came out and now I don’t even have a choice between the two which really sucks.
Yeah, I had several hundred hours in it. I prefer 6v6, but OW2 still scratches a similar itch even if it’s not exactly the way I want to play.