To lock her the drug addict to protect fetus is good.
To deny mto-be-mother proper conditions and medical care equals to endangering the fetus thus responsible people should be judged as such as well.
I don’t think this to be religious question but rather legal question. Mother should sue the hell out of that prison and live from the half of the money ever after. But without drugs. Other half of the money should belong to the kid and used for kid’s education etc.
That’s too logical. Even more logical would be putting money toward social reform programs, instead of blanketing everything under a prison system that does nothing to rehabilitate, and exists solely to punish
Surprised they didn’t throw more charges for “endangering her newborn” by giving birth in a jail shower.
Edit: I guess the prison system doesn’t exist “solely” to punish. It also exists to suppress any challenge to the status quo, extort money from vulnerable populations, and probably a whole list of other neat little “features”
I wasn’t really disagreeing with you, just being a bit sarcastic saying your response is “too logical”. I’m in the US (which is where the article is from), and is why I mentioned needing better social reform… because our prison system is an atrocity. But I was honestly agreeing with you overall
No, it’s not good at all. This leads to and has led to women being jailed for natural miscarriages or charged with endangering a fetus for taking prescribed medication or for eating everyday things like sushi and lunch meat. You may think I’m making a slippery slope argument. I’m not. This things have really happened. Women were charged with manslaughter for expressing a possibility of having an abortion, keeping the pregnancy, falling down the stairs, and having a miscarriage. The moment you criminalize a woman’s actions during pregnancy that relate to a fetus is the moment any action that could have any possible negative outcome is suspect. Suddenly women who have had miscarriages are all crime scenes unless proven otherwise. It’s not a slippery slope. Women have and are being jailed for having miscarriages.
Yeah i do.
From where i come, if you leave drug addict on streets, they will continue their path of self-destruction regardless of their or others’ well-being.
So most effective solution is to isolate the drug addict from the source of addiction.
That your prisons sucks at upholding basic human rights, it’s not my fault. It’s yours for not giving a damn about it.
There are places where prisoners get chance to work, own pet, study to become doctors, programmers and most importantly they get good healthcare as not everywhere around the globe people don’t give a damn about people behind bars.
Also Locking her up doesn’t inevitable mean in the prison. Again difference of my background i guess. There are specialized institutions that hold drug addicts and keeps them sober long enough to give them chance to get out of the habit. I know people who went through that. I’ve visited such a place. It might be a farm with animals or house kinda reminding of those for abused women (house with multiple affected who share their experiences and live together for limited time.
Your blinding rage just prevents you to see what’s really wrong and what should be fixed.
Okay first of all, there are drugs in prison. That is a fact. That’s what I was talking about and what you failed to acknowledge.
Second, I’m not the one blinded here. You are talking about “shoulds” and “ifs”. I am talking about the way things are NOW. You are advocating for sentencing her to one thing, and telling yourself it’s another.
The reality of HER situation NOW is that incarceration is going to make things worse. You can acknowledge this and advocate for a better outcome FOR HER while still championing reform of our systems.
I’m saying that locking her up to isolate her from drugs is better then letting her live on streets intoxicated from morning to evening. And I don’t even want to start what people desperate for the next dose do to get it.
Also those who wronged her are working in that prison.
And as last, don’t tell me you got no forced detox that is not in prison in Alabama - that’s where judge failed if your prison system is such anarchy and it’s supposed to be known fact.
You are quick to rage however you fail to see what part of the equation is not working. You would make situation worse just to prove yourself. That why you are blind.
To lock her the drug addict to protect fetus is good. To deny mto-be-mother proper conditions and medical care equals to endangering the fetus thus responsible people should be judged as such as well.
I don’t think this to be religious question but rather legal question. Mother should sue the hell out of that prison and live from the half of the money ever after. But without drugs. Other half of the money should belong to the kid and used for kid’s education etc.
That’s too logical. Even more logical would be putting money toward social reform programs, instead of blanketing everything under a prison system that does nothing to rehabilitate, and exists solely to punish
Surprised they didn’t throw more charges for “endangering her newborn” by giving birth in a jail shower.
Edit: I guess the prison system doesn’t exist “solely” to punish. It also exists to suppress any challenge to the status quo, extort money from vulnerable populations, and probably a whole list of other neat little “features”
Please read this> my respond to some one else, It’s also in this tread.
I wasn’t really disagreeing with you, just being a bit sarcastic saying your response is “too logical”. I’m in the US (which is where the article is from), and is why I mentioned needing better social reform… because our prison system is an atrocity. But I was honestly agreeing with you overall
Oh sorry for misunderstanding, my bad.
I agree, it’s a problem in the jail system, at least in this case or in general.
No, it’s not good at all. This leads to and has led to women being jailed for natural miscarriages or charged with endangering a fetus for taking prescribed medication or for eating everyday things like sushi and lunch meat. You may think I’m making a slippery slope argument. I’m not. This things have really happened. Women were charged with manslaughter for expressing a possibility of having an abortion, keeping the pregnancy, falling down the stairs, and having a miscarriage. The moment you criminalize a woman’s actions during pregnancy that relate to a fetus is the moment any action that could have any possible negative outcome is suspect. Suddenly women who have had miscarriages are all crime scenes unless proven otherwise. It’s not a slippery slope. Women have and are being jailed for having miscarriages.
Please read this my respond to some one else basically saying the same as you, It’s also in this tread.
do you really think putting her in jail is going to prevent her from using?
Do you REALLY think that?
do you really think that’s a GOOD way, better than other options, to keep her sober?
Yeah i do. From where i come, if you leave drug addict on streets, they will continue their path of self-destruction regardless of their or others’ well-being.
So most effective solution is to isolate the drug addict from the source of addiction.
That your prisons sucks at upholding basic human rights, it’s not my fault. It’s yours for not giving a damn about it.
There are places where prisoners get chance to work, own pet, study to become doctors, programmers and most importantly they get good healthcare as not everywhere around the globe people don’t give a damn about people behind bars.
Also Locking her up doesn’t inevitable mean in the prison. Again difference of my background i guess. There are specialized institutions that hold drug addicts and keeps them sober long enough to give them chance to get out of the habit. I know people who went through that. I’ve visited such a place. It might be a farm with animals or house kinda reminding of those for abused women (house with multiple affected who share their experiences and live together for limited time.
Your blinding rage just prevents you to see what’s really wrong and what should be fixed.
Okay first of all, there are drugs in prison. That is a fact. That’s what I was talking about and what you failed to acknowledge.
Second, I’m not the one blinded here. You are talking about “shoulds” and “ifs”. I am talking about the way things are NOW. You are advocating for sentencing her to one thing, and telling yourself it’s another.
The reality of HER situation NOW is that incarceration is going to make things worse. You can acknowledge this and advocate for a better outcome FOR HER while still championing reform of our systems.
Nah,
Also those who wronged her are working in that prison.
And as last, don’t tell me you got no forced detox that is not in prison in Alabama - that’s where judge failed if your prison system is such anarchy and it’s supposed to be known fact.
You are quick to rage however you fail to see what part of the equation is not working. You would make situation worse just to prove yourself. That why you are blind.