• @unfreeradical
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    Other than Reagan and Thatcher rising to highest office, which political or economic events would you identify as most significant for the transition from the period of embedded liberalism to neoliberalism?

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      01 year ago

      unironic question, did you even read my last comment? no? let me repeat it:

      the school of neoliberal ideology only came into inception post WW2, and didn’t catch on until the thatcher and Regan era, and only actually gained much power after the collapse of the USSR, in part because it purported to explain the collapse of the USSR

      this help?

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        The removal of the US Dollar from the gold standard, and the Chilean coup d’état led by Augusto Pinochet, both occurred in the Seventies.

        Do you associate either event with the transition from the period of embedded liberalism to neoliberalism?

        • @orrk
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          01 year ago

          no, because they quite frankly don’t have much to do with the transition from liberalism to Neoliberalism.

          But if you never actually looked into these ideologies and other philosophical frameworks of the time a shitty tankie can convince you they are all inherently tied together, unironically the Pinochet coup support was due to the prevailing idea of realpolitik that Neoliberalism ironically replaced (spheres of influence vs. globalized markets), and the abolishment of the gold standard happened during the Nixon administration and the prevailing economic theory at that time was various forms of NCS.

          honestly, you should REALLY start actually reading into the philosophies themselves and not whatever collection of libertarian/tankie sources you get your information from.

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            We can try another.

            The privatization of national industries under Thatcher, and the firing of striking air-traffic controllers under Reagan, both occurred in the Eighties.

            Do you associate either event with the transition from the period of embedded liberalism to neoliberalism?

            • @orrk
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              01 year ago

              unironically, can you not read?

              the school of neoliberal ideology only came into inception post WW2, and didn’t catch on until the thatcher and Regan era, and only actually gained much power after the collapse of the USSR, in part because it purported to explain the collapse of the USSR

              what’s next, you are going to ask about when the ideology was first devised? I get it you have an aversion to reading, but maybe you should try more of it

              • @unfreeradical
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                11 year ago

                Are you able to name or to describe any important individuals, groups, events, policies, or ideas, related to neoliberalism, in any more detail than simply repeating the same sentence?

                • @orrk
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                  01 year ago

                  I’m not your teacher, I have told you often to go read up on this stuff yourself.

                  also, your own inability to read isn’t cause for me to further lecture you

                  • @rockSlayer
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                    I’m asking nicely as a mod in this situation to please provide a source for mutual understanding. The very origin of this argument seems to stem from the operative word “promulgated”, which means “to make known to the public; popularize or advocate”. This, to me, means that you’re both on the same side arguing semantics. I’m not picking sides here, I generally agree with your description on the origins of neoliberalism, however I think a source on neoliberalism would go a long way in reaching an understanding.

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                    If you insist someone else is wrong, then you should be able to provide an explanation more useful and more verifiable than some nebulous and meaningless word salad.

                    You should also be able to give such an explanation without ranting insults, or forming every sentence centered around the word “ironically”, or constantly lamenting of some imagined infiltration by “tankies”.

                    It is rather alarming that someone who has been so hotheaded, cocky, and brazen, about the subject of neoliberism, would not understand that the gold standard was a central policy under the Bretton Woods system, which codified the core tenants of embedded liberalism, the period preceding neoliberalism.

                    It is also alarming that someone would not understand how the Pinochet regime was formally based on neoliberal policies and ideals, as expressed by the “Chicago boys”, who were central to the coup being backed by the US.

                    I even gift wrapped privatization and strike busting, but all you could do was fall back on your shtick about the Soviet Union.

                    The Cold War and its end obviously shaped all of geopolitics during the relevant periods. Being unable to give any more particular explanation of neoliberalism reveals unequivocally how much you are full of shit.