Don’t ever believe that any gun control laws will disarm those guys.
Even if this is true, counterintuitively, gun control laws will still work. We’ve seen this exact thing in Australia. (Which admittedly is easier to do because it’s an island)
What happens is that guns become more rare, and yes, only bad guys and cops have access to guns, however, because guns are rare, it’s much harder even for bad guys to get more guns. Guns become much more valuable, and as they’re valuable, bad guys will become reluctant to use them unless the reward is great. If you take a $1000 gun to rob $50 from a 7-11, and if you get caught, you’re losing $950. You’re way better off just using a knife or something, and then you can sell the gun.
So even if only bad guys have guns, guns are still used in fewer crimes. Everybody gets safer, little by little. Eventually, they’re only going to use guns for crimes with huge payoffs. And they were going to do that, anyways, even if there weren’t gun control laws.
Well we’re not going to do any of that in the USA. Fortunately our gun rights are inalienable and confirmed in triplicate by our Supreme Court.
I would never be happy with living in a society where the cops and criminals are the only ones with guns. Freedom is far more valuable to my life than security, and my security is perfectly fine for my risk tolerance level.
Freedom is far more valuable to my life than security
First of all, that isn’t even internally consistent. Security is the thing that ensures your life, not freedom. You may decide that freedom is more valuable than your security, but that is clearly risking your life, so freedom cannot, by definition, be more valuable to your life than security.
Second, I guess a guy like you must not support the military at all. Every military person sacrifices some of their freedom to give us security. Former President Trump has said that the soldiers who died in battle defending our country were “suckers” and “losers”. I guess you’d find nothing to disagree with there, right?
Third, you’re clearly referencing this Benjamin Franklin quote, but you’re misquoting it, so I’ll go ahead and quote it exactly. “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” We’re not talking about an “essential” liberty here, nor are we talking about “a little temporary” safety. We’re talking about an unimportant liberty and long-lasting safety.
And it’s not just your safety. You’re willing to sacrifice the safety of every American citizen, not for your liberty, but because you have a toy that you like to play with, and you like to pretend like you could use your toys to defend yourself, when the truth is that you’re unlikely to ever run into a situation like that, and it’s even unlikelier that you’d have such a situation were there decent gun control laws. You’re like a person who buys a lottery ticket and starts maxing out your credit card because you think it’s likely you’re going to win. But it’s actually absurdly unlikely.
You’re optimizing for an unlikely situation at the cost of a known likely situation. It’s insanity.
You seem to like to make a lot of assumptions about people. Whatever, spend your time how you like.
All of the Trump people are fucking morons, and nothing about me has anything to do with them, other than I commented on this post about one of them. I’m pro-military, proud of my friends who served and sacrificed their mental health to fight in the oil wars ostensibly for our country. I’m also smart enough that I never enlisted and I make a great living doing work that is mostly risk-free.
Gun rights are here to stay in America whether you like it or not. I choose to accept and embrace that liberty, and I’ll support it permanently.
Holy shit. That means that you actually do believe that people who enlist aren’t smart enough. I happen to know a few people who enlisted who were very smart. I can’t believe you’d actually admit to thinking something like that.
It’s pretty obvious that it was not smart to enlist to fight the War on Terror. It was all bullshit, since Saudi Arabia was the perpetrator of 9/11 and we never attacked them.
I’m not afraid to admit anything that I honestly believe. I’m quite content with the quality of my character and beliefs, and my life is pretty great.
I’m not afraid to admit anything that I honestly believe.
Great! Now that you’ve freely admitted that you think you’re smarter than any enlisted person, what other beliefs do you have that would get you pilloried if you admitted them publicly? For example, maybe you think that some races are smarter than others, or perhaps you think the sexes are not equal.
If you’re not afraid to admit anything that you honestly believe, then you should have no problem listing your other bigotries right here.
Wow you are really reaching for some hate material aren’t you. You want to build up a “bad guy” persona to represent me, because you don’t like the ideas that I have expressed.
Bottom line is that I’m here to stand for the rights of Americans, and I will never acquiesce to any restrictions on our freedom. That’s what the topic was about and I’m done.
I don’t understand. You said you weren’t afraid to admit anything you honestly believe. You’ve already admitted to bigotry against enlisted soldiers. What’s stopping you here? The reason that makes sense to me is “fear”, but you’ve just said that you’re not afraid, so nothing you’re saying makes sense.
I’m done
Thanks for giving me the last word. I don’t have to build up a “bad guy” persona for you. Why do you think it is that, in America, when you learn that a person is strongly against gun control, insisting it’s their inalienable right to own guns, you have a very good chance of guessing what they think about abortion, or about immigration, or about gender roles? It’s because many of these opinions are rooted in some sort of antisocial fear of “others”, while the remaining opinions are simply the opinions of your chosen groups. You’re afraid of standing out against your groups. It’s all irrational fear, but people with your beliefs have the gall to think it’s intellect.
You have already chosen a group of people that you think you’re superior to. Your true fascist beliefs are leaking through. You are, by your own admissions, the bad guy. I just wanted you to list your other fear-based bigoted opinions so that anybody else who comes across this thread will be left with no doubt about it. But it seems that you’re too afraid to admit all of your true beliefs. Hmm… It seems like I do understand, after all. Take it easy, and try to remember. These people you hate and fear, they’re people, too.
Even if this is true, counterintuitively, gun control laws will still work. We’ve seen this exact thing in Australia. (Which admittedly is easier to do because it’s an island)
What happens is that guns become more rare, and yes, only bad guys and cops have access to guns, however, because guns are rare, it’s much harder even for bad guys to get more guns. Guns become much more valuable, and as they’re valuable, bad guys will become reluctant to use them unless the reward is great. If you take a $1000 gun to rob $50 from a 7-11, and if you get caught, you’re losing $950. You’re way better off just using a knife or something, and then you can sell the gun.
So even if only bad guys have guns, guns are still used in fewer crimes. Everybody gets safer, little by little. Eventually, they’re only going to use guns for crimes with huge payoffs. And they were going to do that, anyways, even if there weren’t gun control laws.
Well we’re not going to do any of that in the USA. Fortunately our gun rights are inalienable and confirmed in triplicate by our Supreme Court.
I would never be happy with living in a society where the cops and criminals are the only ones with guns. Freedom is far more valuable to my life than security, and my security is perfectly fine for my risk tolerance level.
First of all, that isn’t even internally consistent. Security is the thing that ensures your life, not freedom. You may decide that freedom is more valuable than your security, but that is clearly risking your life, so freedom cannot, by definition, be more valuable to your life than security.
Second, I guess a guy like you must not support the military at all. Every military person sacrifices some of their freedom to give us security. Former President Trump has said that the soldiers who died in battle defending our country were “suckers” and “losers”. I guess you’d find nothing to disagree with there, right?
Third, you’re clearly referencing this Benjamin Franklin quote, but you’re misquoting it, so I’ll go ahead and quote it exactly. “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” We’re not talking about an “essential” liberty here, nor are we talking about “a little temporary” safety. We’re talking about an unimportant liberty and long-lasting safety.
And it’s not just your safety. You’re willing to sacrifice the safety of every American citizen, not for your liberty, but because you have a toy that you like to play with, and you like to pretend like you could use your toys to defend yourself, when the truth is that you’re unlikely to ever run into a situation like that, and it’s even unlikelier that you’d have such a situation were there decent gun control laws. You’re like a person who buys a lottery ticket and starts maxing out your credit card because you think it’s likely you’re going to win. But it’s actually absurdly unlikely.
You’re optimizing for an unlikely situation at the cost of a known likely situation. It’s insanity.
You seem to like to make a lot of assumptions about people. Whatever, spend your time how you like.
All of the Trump people are fucking morons, and nothing about me has anything to do with them, other than I commented on this post about one of them. I’m pro-military, proud of my friends who served and sacrificed their mental health to fight in the oil wars ostensibly for our country. I’m also smart enough that I never enlisted and I make a great living doing work that is mostly risk-free.
Gun rights are here to stay in America whether you like it or not. I choose to accept and embrace that liberty, and I’ll support it permanently.
Holy shit. That means that you actually do believe that people who enlist aren’t smart enough. I happen to know a few people who enlisted who were very smart. I can’t believe you’d actually admit to thinking something like that.
It’s pretty obvious that it was not smart to enlist to fight the War on Terror. It was all bullshit, since Saudi Arabia was the perpetrator of 9/11 and we never attacked them.
I’m not afraid to admit anything that I honestly believe. I’m quite content with the quality of my character and beliefs, and my life is pretty great.
Great! Now that you’ve freely admitted that you think you’re smarter than any enlisted person, what other beliefs do you have that would get you pilloried if you admitted them publicly? For example, maybe you think that some races are smarter than others, or perhaps you think the sexes are not equal.
If you’re not afraid to admit anything that you honestly believe, then you should have no problem listing your other bigotries right here.
Wow you are really reaching for some hate material aren’t you. You want to build up a “bad guy” persona to represent me, because you don’t like the ideas that I have expressed.
Bottom line is that I’m here to stand for the rights of Americans, and I will never acquiesce to any restrictions on our freedom. That’s what the topic was about and I’m done.
I don’t understand. You said you weren’t afraid to admit anything you honestly believe. You’ve already admitted to bigotry against enlisted soldiers. What’s stopping you here? The reason that makes sense to me is “fear”, but you’ve just said that you’re not afraid, so nothing you’re saying makes sense.
Thanks for giving me the last word. I don’t have to build up a “bad guy” persona for you. Why do you think it is that, in America, when you learn that a person is strongly against gun control, insisting it’s their inalienable right to own guns, you have a very good chance of guessing what they think about abortion, or about immigration, or about gender roles? It’s because many of these opinions are rooted in some sort of antisocial fear of “others”, while the remaining opinions are simply the opinions of your chosen groups. You’re afraid of standing out against your groups. It’s all irrational fear, but people with your beliefs have the gall to think it’s intellect.
You have already chosen a group of people that you think you’re superior to. Your true fascist beliefs are leaking through. You are, by your own admissions, the bad guy. I just wanted you to list your other fear-based bigoted opinions so that anybody else who comes across this thread will be left with no doubt about it. But it seems that you’re too afraid to admit all of your true beliefs. Hmm… It seems like I do understand, after all. Take it easy, and try to remember. These people you hate and fear, they’re people, too.