And was followed by the first intifada iirc. Its not only about the rights of Palestinian people but obviously about “chasing the Jews into the sea”.
I hate the current government of Israel for being right wing, religious and downright populist. The settlers policies are plain provocation. That doesn’t influence my conviction that the state Israel absolutely must keep existing and that the people are not the same as their government (also worth remembering this when you hear people speaking Russian omnthe streets right now).
This brings up the very important distinction between nation and state. We think of them now interchangeably, but as I understand it, the Peace of Westphalia created the modern system of nation-states that comprises the international order. It was very recent, historically speaking, such that even Germany didn’t unify into one until the early 20th century.
It’s important, because while various nations existed in Palestine, the region got integrated into the Westphalian system under outside, colonial powers, rather than as a nation-state. That allowed room for the Zionist slogan, “a land without a people for a people with a land.” That was a clever distortion—there was not “a people” in the sense of the new international order, but there certainly were people who lived there, and had lived there for generations.
The bottom line is that the Israeli state must absolutely be distinct and separate from the nation of Israel—and that the nation of Israel must be allowed to exist in peace in the region. The current state can go kick rocks, as far as I’m concerned.
And was followed by the first intifada iirc. Its not only about the rights of Palestinian people but obviously about “chasing the Jews into the sea”.
I hate the current government of Israel for being right wing, religious and downright populist. The settlers policies are plain provocation. That doesn’t influence my conviction that the state Israel absolutely must keep existing and that the people are not the same as their government (also worth remembering this when you hear people speaking Russian omnthe streets right now).
This brings up the very important distinction between nation and state. We think of them now interchangeably, but as I understand it, the Peace of Westphalia created the modern system of nation-states that comprises the international order. It was very recent, historically speaking, such that even Germany didn’t unify into one until the early 20th century.
It’s important, because while various nations existed in Palestine, the region got integrated into the Westphalian system under outside, colonial powers, rather than as a nation-state. That allowed room for the Zionist slogan, “a land without a people for a people with a land.” That was a clever distortion—there was not “a people” in the sense of the new international order, but there certainly were people who lived there, and had lived there for generations.
The bottom line is that the Israeli state must absolutely be distinct and separate from the nation of Israel—and that the nation of Israel must be allowed to exist in peace in the region. The current state can go kick rocks, as far as I’m concerned.