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Government and gas-focused industry body resist conclusion that heat pumps are ‘only viable’ option for heating UK homes
Government and gas-focused industry body resist conclusion that heat pumps are ‘only viable’ option for heating UK homes
Both are zero emissions. Neither of which does much harm to the planet.
Hydrogen can be produced from fossil fuels though. Unfortunately no way to say hydrogen was produced through green means
That’s true of electricity too. There’s no way of telling fossil fuel from green electricity.
This is true. Which is why you remove fossil fuels from the grid. Why add extra costs and infrastructure for hydrogen. Just use electricity for heating and hydrogen for planes maybe long haul truckers and sea freight
The infrastructure cost for hydrogen is much cheaper than the cost of expanding the grid. We simply start making a lot of green hydrogen and that will displace fossil hydrogen. Even the grid will rely on hydrogen for backup power generation.
The grid needs upgraded though. So they a moot point. The grid wasn’t built for renewables and it wasn’t built to deal with the way we currently need it. It’s also underdeveloped and underfunded.
So no I hear you disagree.
https://theconversation.com/time-to-get-real-amid-the-hydrogen-hype-lets-talk-about-what-will-actually-work-144579
Hydrogen is expensive to contain and to transport. It has its uses but it’s really not necessary. If we use solar and wind correctly. We need batteries. And we don’t even need that. We can just use pumped systems and other systems to use power.
Not the case. A hydrogen infrastructure allows us to scale back the grid, or at least limit how much bigger it needs to get.
A lot of the anti-hydrogen rhetoric is marketing BS. We can handle hydrogen just fine. We can even put hydrogen in natural gas pipelines and reuse much of that infrastructure. Also, once we have hydrogen we don’t really need batteries, or at least much less of them. Hydrogen stored in underground salt cavern exceeds the capacity of any other kind of energy storage. So all of the other energy storage ideas become obsolete or much less important once hydrogen shows up.
All electrical grids need to be upgraded. Maybe you could cheap out by doing a smaller upgrade and using hydrogen to offset it. Still needs the upgrade regardless.
The cost of hydrogen is astronomical. It’s highly explosive it needs to be pressurized and it’s just a bitch. I think you are underestimating the cost of a hydrogen to roll out.
German Japan and Australia have all scaled back. It’s mega expensive.
The data on hydrogen gas mix is pretty clear. It’s not cost effective and it’s a bad idea. Nobody is doing that.
I would love to see that happen. Can you send me a few links on that concept. I’ve heard of pumped hydro and the crane one. Never seen hydrogen in salt caverns. How would that work for the world? I doubt everywhere has salt caverns.
It’s an idea but in terms of logistics. Time will tell
We can keep the grid upgrades to a minimum.
It is far cheaper to move hydrogen in pipelines than to build its equivalence in wires. In reality, the hydrogen infrastructure saves us money. A lot of what you read is just pro-BEV propaganda. They are just lying about which is more expensive.
No one is scaling back hydrogen investment. Just recently, the US put billions into the idea. Many other countries are following suit or even already started.