@FlowVoid of course you’re not worried. The US doesn’t recognise the ICC, and would not submit to its judgement.
I don’t really get why you are arguing with @TokenBoomer about what Biden did or didn’t say, though. One person’s words are not really what this warning is about. It’s about the actions taken by the US government and military under the Biden administration:
Under international law, the crime of genocide implicates not only those carrying out the crime, but also those complicit in it, including by “aiding and abetting.”
I wouldn’t worry about US actions even if they did recognize the ICC.
“Aid and abet” has a specific legal definition. It means doing something in the hopes that a crime will succeed, or encouraging someone to commit a crime.
So for instance, if you sold your car to someone who used it to rob a bank then you wouldn’t necessarily have aided and abetted the robbery. A prosecutor would have to prove that you sold the car because you wanted the buyer to use it in a bank robbery.
I think it’s pretty clear, by word and action, that the US does not want to see a genocide in Gaza. To the extent that they are providing support to Israel, they are actively encouraging Israel to use it only for legal activities, i.e. destroying Hamas, not killing civilians unnecessarily.
I can see your point. I think time will tell, but the lawyers would probably right to give them a warning even if you turn out to be correct.
Genocide is comprised of thousands of actions. The US has many people involved on the one hand - and also a very efficient, secretive surveillance network on the other, so if they do provide material support to genocidaires there would be inevitable questions about who knew what when etc.
All moot because of the American Servicemembers’ Protection Act (aka Hague Invasion Act) of course.
@FlowVoid of course you’re not worried. The US doesn’t recognise the ICC, and would not submit to its judgement.
I don’t really get why you are arguing with @TokenBoomer about what Biden did or didn’t say, though. One person’s words are not really what this warning is about. It’s about the actions taken by the US government and military under the Biden administration:
I wouldn’t worry about US actions even if they did recognize the ICC.
“Aid and abet” has a specific legal definition. It means doing something in the hopes that a crime will succeed, or encouraging someone to commit a crime.
So for instance, if you sold your car to someone who used it to rob a bank then you wouldn’t necessarily have aided and abetted the robbery. A prosecutor would have to prove that you sold the car because you wanted the buyer to use it in a bank robbery.
I think it’s pretty clear, by word and action, that the US does not want to see a genocide in Gaza. To the extent that they are providing support to Israel, they are actively encouraging Israel to use it only for legal activities, i.e. destroying Hamas, not killing civilians unnecessarily.
Thanks, that’s a clear viewpoint.
I can see your point. I think time will tell, but the lawyers would probably right to give them a warning even if you turn out to be correct.
Genocide is comprised of thousands of actions. The US has many people involved on the one hand - and also a very efficient, secretive surveillance network on the other, so if they do provide material support to genocidaires there would be inevitable questions about who knew what when etc.
All moot because of the American Servicemembers’ Protection Act (aka Hague Invasion Act) of course.