How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse) écrit par Ploum, Lionel Dricot, ingénieur, écrivain de science-fiction, développeur de logiciels libres.
That was a great read. ICQ…man that takes me back. How do we let someone make money off the Fidiverse, without giving them any control? I’m new here but I am excited about the possibilities. Internet the way it was supposed to be. Still, it will never be the platform I want, without some investment. Who’s going to invest? Will it be an open, crowd-souce volunteer system? Will that ever make it good enough?
Why exactly does someone need to make money of Fedi? The only valuable thing on a network are the users, and black holes like Facebook can only monetize, not provide value. Fuck that. Nobody is stopping a normal company from making space around here and providing some service, selling stuff or talking to their customers.
And this right here is the disease’s expression: “How do we make money off of …”
Get out of the capitalist “your bank balance is your worth” mindset and just … you know … enjoy something for enjoyment’s sake without looking for some way to grift.
Money is the way society allocates resources. All this content is going to need resources. Server hosting, data storage, software development. I’ve already seen some server andmins begin to ask for donations to keep it all running. Is that how we’re going to run this? Is it going to be like Wikipedia, begging for money all the time? Maybe it’ll be like NPR and every server will have quarterly membership drives. I’m down for a lemmy.world totebag. But you can’t enjoy something and then just expect somebody else to pick up the tab. At least not all the time.
You are conflating “making money off of” and “paying for”. The mindset is very different.
“How do I pay for my home?” vs. “How do I make money off of my home?” if you want a really stark version of the contrast.
Yes, there are expenses involved in running a fediverse instance of any kind. No, the person providing it shouldn’t be forced to foot the bill alone (or at all, if possible!). But there is a huge gulf between “let’s get the money to pay for this” and “let’s use this to make money”. And if you can’t see the difference between them? Sorry to inform you that you’ve been diagnosed with terminal, late-stage capitalism.
Hoping for economics to stop mattering so you don’t have to work any more is like hoping for gravity to stop mattering so you can fly. I’ve been aroun man. I was there in the ICQ days. I’ve seen this before. You either figure out how to monetize or watch it fail. Either it will be come irrelevant, or somebody will figure out how to make money off it in ways you’re not going to like. Did you read the article?
You diagnosed me with terminal late-stage capitalism. The term implies that you believe capitalism will soon end. If that’s true you’ve misunderstood economics and history. If you don’t believe capitalism is ending, you shouldn’t parrot the buzz-words de jure without understanding what they mean.
Read what I said. I said we need to figure out how to let people make money off Lemmy. We need to be in control of how it happens. If we just let it play out, somebody is going to come up with a way to make money off Lemmy in a way that will kill it.
That was a great read. ICQ…man that takes me back. How do we let someone make money off the Fidiverse, without giving them any control? I’m new here but I am excited about the possibilities. Internet the way it was supposed to be. Still, it will never be the platform I want, without some investment. Who’s going to invest? Will it be an open, crowd-souce volunteer system? Will that ever make it good enough?
Why exactly does someone need to make money of Fedi? The only valuable thing on a network are the users, and black holes like Facebook can only monetize, not provide value. Fuck that. Nobody is stopping a normal company from making space around here and providing some service, selling stuff or talking to their customers.
And this right here is the disease’s expression: “How do we make money off of …”
Get out of the capitalist “your bank balance is your worth” mindset and just … you know … enjoy something for enjoyment’s sake without looking for some way to grift.
Money is the way society allocates resources. All this content is going to need resources. Server hosting, data storage, software development. I’ve already seen some server andmins begin to ask for donations to keep it all running. Is that how we’re going to run this? Is it going to be like Wikipedia, begging for money all the time? Maybe it’ll be like NPR and every server will have quarterly membership drives. I’m down for a lemmy.world totebag. But you can’t enjoy something and then just expect somebody else to pick up the tab. At least not all the time.
You are conflating “making money off of” and “paying for”. The mindset is very different.
“How do I pay for my home?” vs. “How do I make money off of my home?” if you want a really stark version of the contrast.
Yes, there are expenses involved in running a fediverse instance of any kind. No, the person providing it shouldn’t be forced to foot the bill alone (or at all, if possible!). But there is a huge gulf between “let’s get the money to pay for this” and “let’s use this to make money”. And if you can’t see the difference between them? Sorry to inform you that you’ve been diagnosed with terminal, late-stage capitalism.
Hoping for economics to stop mattering so you don’t have to work any more is like hoping for gravity to stop mattering so you can fly. I’ve been aroun man. I was there in the ICQ days. I’ve seen this before. You either figure out how to monetize or watch it fail. Either it will be come irrelevant, or somebody will figure out how to make money off it in ways you’re not going to like. Did you read the article?
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Please go back and read what I actually said instead of what the voices in your head are saying.
You diagnosed me with terminal late-stage capitalism. The term implies that you believe capitalism will soon end. If that’s true you’ve misunderstood economics and history. If you don’t believe capitalism is ending, you shouldn’t parrot the buzz-words de jure without understanding what they mean.
Read what I said. I said we need to figure out how to let people make money off Lemmy. We need to be in control of how it happens. If we just let it play out, somebody is going to come up with a way to make money off Lemmy in a way that will kill it.
P.S. Implying that I have mental illness is a personal attack, and very bad form. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem