It was banned on Reddit because it is racist, hatefull and spread Conspiracies.
In my new community I expect the exclution of racist communities. It is easy now with defederation. Nazis can do whatever they want on their instances, but the instances I want to be part of should not amplify their shit and flush it into our timelines.
The instance-admin of [email protected] did not reply to my message. Big instances seem not to defederate with them.
The new TD may not be a success, the point is not to give Nazis a platform like it is happening now. Fans of TD are racists.
Where are the instances that show face against racism?
edit: to contact the admins: @donut @TheDude @smorks
edit2: @TheDude deleted the community :)
I wouldn’t de-federate sh.itjust.works for that now. But stuff like this doesn’t look good and the “Just ignore it bro” crowd shows that they never had to deal with organized harassment themselves. The_Donald wasn’t just a harmless sub with a little bit of trolling, it was responsible for extreme radicalization and people died because of it. The reality is that such hate groups never stay in their place and behave everywhere else. They brigade and harass every time. Should the community grow and attract more people, it’s just a disaster waiting to happen. People are responsible for their own instance and are free to choose whatever they want but that’s the same for other servers if they should decide to de-federate.
And that was indicated when they migrated to Voat. Nobody else used Voat, it was just them. Also when reddit changed their policies to prevent one sub from appearing on the front page more than once.
The whole point is to be obnoxious in spaces where it isn’t welcome. When they realized they couldn’t do that on a platform that only consisted of them, there was no incentive to engage. The whole point is to shit up a platform enjoyed by others, and that’s exactly what they’ll do here.
Voat was about 50% fatpeoplehate, 35% T_D, and 15% ‘free speech’ enthusiasts. The 15% were quickly pushed out by the overwhelming amount of content generated by fatpeoplehate, but eventually they got tired of posting the same things over and over and only T_D was left.
100% true
Well said @[email protected].
This is a single user, not the ghost of The_Donald subreddit, who appears to be trolling. If that’s the accepted bar for de-federation then lemmy.ml is going to quickly become a single instance federation.
If it develops into something that breaks the instance’s rules, it should be shut down. Until then, don’t just assume because of the name that it’s going to break the rules.
If it’s supporting some shitheel Republican’s cult of personality and names itself after the most infamous online instance of the cult of that shitheel, it doesn’t need to be given benefit of the doubt. If it’s some wholesome uwu satire, then it can bear that fucking cross and negotiate being removed from blacklists.
A Hilldawg 2024 instance should be treated in just the same way, before some stupid American asks.
Would you defederate an instance for posting IRL child porn? How about AI generated or hand-drawn? What if it’s not clear the ages of the subjects? What if it’s just discussion about where to find it or how to make it? Now choose for videos of mass shootings or torture? Does it matter if it’s war footage? If it’s newsworthy? If it’s for titillation? How about intellectual property theft? Or a community on the proper way to synthesize hallucinogens or sedatives? Would you allow sales posts as well?
My point isn’t to answer those questions, but rather to say that there’s a line somewhere and we, as part of the community, should choose where we’re going to draw that line. It’s not a programming if/then statement, it’s a judgement by humans on what we feel is destructive to our society we’re participating in. To point out just how absurd that last statement is, and implicate myself in the potential hypocracy of defederating any instance which hosts The_Donald, it’s worth noting that my argument - the community based standards - has been used to outlaw all representations of nakedness and self-determination of reproductive health by parts of the US. But most of me doesn’t care. In my world, The_Donald is a hateful, destructive, evil magnet and it has no place in intellectual discussions. The threat of defederation is specifically the lever or influence we have on our fellow instances to uphold some basic sense of self decency.
Sh.It.Just.Works should be engaged and should be part of the discussion as to why we feel that kind of community is destructive to the whole. And, in the end, if they choose to stay their path, then we defederate. Or I go find an instance that will. I left reddit because just one dude there was an asshole. Moving to an unfederated instance seems tame by comparison.
(quick edit - to be clear I’m not yelling at you, personally, but into the void. You happened to be at the top of the discussion and it touched a nerve. Please accept my apologies if I offended.)