Only 17% of Arab American voters say they will vote for Biden in 2024, according to a new poll.

Only 17% of Arab American voters say they will vote for Biden in 2024, according to a new poll.

  • @[email protected]
    2•1 year ago

    First off:

    I’m a zionist - Biden himself, literally

    Second: It shouldn’t be hard to understand that Muslims want to send a message, a Biden loss would result in introspection in the democratic party (if they have the wherewithal, highly doubtful)

    Third: Plenty of Jewish people particularly in America do not unconditionally support Israel as Biden has. All he had to do is force humanitarian aid through in return for further aid. Which would allow the least amount of anger from both sides.

    Instead he has decided to completely ignore the very legitimate grievances of one side while fully endorsing the other. Which is exactly what the GOP does, do they enjoy wide Jewish support?

    Lastly:

    Once you start throwing around extremist rhetoric like “zionist”, I stop paying attention

    Thanks for discussing this in good faith by calling my reasonable grievances “extremist rhetoric”. This is exactly what is alienating Muslims. Perfectly proving the point.

    • @NightwingdragonEnglish
      2•1 year ago

      First off:

      I’m a zionist - Biden himself, literally

      Second: It shouldn’t be hard to understand that Muslims want to send a message,

      And the message you’ll be sending is that you’re perfectly OK electing a President who actively hates you and wants you deported. In what universe do you think Trump is going to be any better for the Muslim community?

      a Biden loss would result in introspection in the democratic party (if they have the wherewithal, highly doubtful)

      No, it’ll cause them to wait and say “I told you so” when Trump makes your situation exponentially worse.

      Third: Plenty of Jewish people particularly in America do not unconditionally support Israel as Biden has. All he had to do is force humanitarian aid through in return for further aid. Which would allow the least amount of anger from both sides.

      It would have done no such thing. It would just cause both sides to demand answers as to why Biden isn’t trying to step in and interfere on their behalf.

      Instead he has decided to completely ignore the very legitimate grievances of one side while fully endorsing the other. Which is exactly what the GOP does, do they enjoy wide Jewish support?

      Again, you are advocating punishing Biden for his decision in all of this by advocating for the re-election of someone who will not only do the exact same thing anyway, but someone who also actively hates you. You continue to fail to understand that there is no scenario where going down that path is in any way going to work out well for you. You are advocating not only making the situation worse, but electing a man who has campaigned on bringing the hate directly to your doorstep.

      Lastly:

      Once you start throwing around extremist rhetoric like “zionist”, I stop paying attention

      Thanks for discussing this in good faith by calling my reasonable grievances “extremist rhetoric”.

      No, I called your use of the word “zionist” in that context extremist rhetoric.

      This is exactly what is alienating Muslims. Perfectly proving the point.

      Calling you out for using extremist rhetoric is “alienating muslims”? Or is it just not agreeing with you?

        • @NightwingdragonEnglish
          4•1 year ago

          Yes, we do want to punish Biden. It’s that simple, he is allowing and chaperoning the starvation of millions of our people. Over half of whom are children! Everyone should be angry at Biden’s decisions and role in this current conflict. Why would we not want justice in the form of his loss?

          And what do you think Trump would do in this exact same situation? Hamas is a terror group that is an enemy of the US, and Trump is openly and unapologetically racist against Muslims. You think what Biden is doing is bad? (Yes, it is, btw). Trump would not only allow the exact same thing, he’d probably send over a few fighter jets himself and would probably try to get you deported if you spoke out about it. The fact that you’re a US citizen hasn’t stopped Trump before.

          I can assure you that we’d rather suffer here in the form of discrimination (which happens either way, all throughout my childhood post-9/11 in particular), over the continued suffering of our brothers and sisters in Palestine, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iran through continued US hegemony in the region. I’d rather continue to be treated as a second class citizen,

          Even if I disagree with you, I’d fully understand your point here…

          with a full belly and a roof over my head, then let people far worse off than me face horrors behind comprehension. A Trump victory would weaken America not strengthen it.

          …and then you went here. So you’re not actually willing to suffer on behalf of your Muslim bretheren. You’re just willing to advocate for them until it directly affects you. You’re willing to take an anti-America position while simultaneously hiding behind the very protections that give you the ability to take that position in the first place. And make no mistake, you’ll get your wish: Trump and the GOP will treat you as a second class citizen. The “full belly and roof over your head” bit? Not if they have anything to say about it. Good luck getting sympathy at that point from the very people you’re now gladly taking a shit all over.

          Muslims know what we must do to ensure our people get the peace that they deserve as human beings. If that means sacrificing domestic comfort, then so be it.

          So long as it’s not your domestic comfort that’s threatened, right?

          “Vote blue no matter who” types should keep on talking down to and patronizing Muslims on geopolitics, Black Americans on police violence, and leftists on corporate overreach. That has totally worked out well in the past 🙄

          And I’m sure that supporting a party that believes in “Christian/White Nationalism” (read: white superiority) and has openly and repeatedly called for a ban on Muslim immigration and aid cutoff to Muslim countries because muh religionz is going to work out so much better for you. Let me know how that turns out, eh?

          All politicians must earn the support of their constituents. America will fall regardless of a republican victory, because our democracy will suffer either way. Specifically because of the morons who vote for politicians even after they stab them in the back.

          So you’re advocating for the fall of a country you live in and are a citizen of? You might wanna re-think that for a minute. And hey, if you’re really a part of the “Death to America” crowd, I’m sure there’s plenty of people in Palestine, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Iran will gladly take you in. I’m sure you’ll be much better off over there…

          I would love to see Trump try and deport the millions of Americans who are citizens. His immigration ban failed for a reason, and citizens have far greater protections.

          Yeah, I guess it’s easy to give the whole “Death to America” schtick while hiding behind the protections that allow you to spew that drivel in the first place. You have shown that not only do you clearly have absolutely no idea how good you have it here, you also have absolutely no idea how much worse it would be for you under a 2nd Trump administration that is campaigning on the backs of attacking your people and your religion.

          What’s your plan when you’re staring at the business end of a shotgun or something held by some lunatic wearing a MAGA hat after being goaded by one of Trump’s speeches? Because that’s the path you’re heading down.

          • @[email protected]English
            -2•1 year ago

            Honestly, they aren’t any better than the Bernie Bros. Changing your vote to Trump because Bernie didn’t win means that you don’t give a shit about policy or issues. No one who actually supported Bernie policies would have ever voted for Trump.

            Typical Republican voter thought honestly. I will vote in line with what hurts me the most because it will hurt this one person right there and damned anyone else that sinks in the ship with me.