It sucks to vote for the least of two evils. But not voting at all is effectively half a vote for the worst of the two. Yeah, it feels like youre resisting if you refuse to play when there’s only a two party system. Not gonna accept only having a choice between two crappy people and their parties! Hold out by not voting! Or by voting for someone who has NO chance ? Well great, then you up your chances of next having no choice at all – with just one insane party and its dictator when they make it permanent. Not acting makes you responsible for installing Emperor Trump. Dint kid yourself.
Except voting for democrats is not acting when the end result is largely the same. There needs to be some way to send the message that we want better. The system is designed to bury that message except for rich donors.
Did you not watch television or something from 2016-2020? Biden isn’t going to enact a proletarian revolution, but he is LEAGUES less destructive for the country than Trump. Like, night and day difference between the two.
Were you not alive during 2000-2008 or do you have the memory of a goldfish? Trump is just a loudmouthed George W Bush, from the warmongering to the immigration policy (remember Bush’s border fence?) to the opposition to abortion, etc, etc. Democrats pretended to be in opposition to Bush, but they’ve been helping in rehabilitating his image since then. Trump is nothing new, he’s just business as usual for republicans. Now we have Biden pledging to massively boost funding for a genocidal ethnostate in the middle of their campaign of bloodlust. Uh, yeah, such night and day difference.
A loudmouthed GWB? Are you for real?
Did you see Jan 6 2021? Trump is his own unique dumpster fire burning through every governing norm not explicitly written into law. By saying “man and we thought GWB was bad!” during Trump’s term doesn’t equal rehabilitating his image to me.
Oh yeah, and Trump is a sore loser who wanted people to overturn election results to get him a second term. He should’ve done what Bush did who had his bro pull some strings to turn Florida in his favor. Trump may have wanted to steal an election but Bush actually did it. As bad as Trump was, Bush was actually worse.
Primaries like 2016 where massive support for Bernie was shouted down as “Bernie Bros” and blamed for Hillary losing somehow? Or are you talking more like 2020 where the party called all other candidates to drop out and put their full support behind Biden right before super tuesday? As for “education” that’s rather vague.
The way to send the message is to vote third party. Every Republican I talk to tells me it’s a vote for the Democrats and every Democrat I talk to tells me it’s a vote for the Republicans. In reality it’s a message: We want something else. I really feel like Trump’s message in 2016 of draining the swamp had a lot of appeal to people. I live in super red territory and many of the hard core trumpers I have visited with have expressed that our current system is broken and corrupt - they felt like Trump was going to be at least something different. It’s a powerful message, unfortunately it’s Trump and therefore unconscionable to vote for him.
We need to legitimize and destigmatize multiple options beyond the two terrible parties.
Ross Perot got over 18% of the vote in 1992 which is way higher than any third party could ever hope for these days, but no message was received by the two dominating parties. The attitude is that a third party is a wasted vote and it’s reinforced whenever “the other guy” gets in. Democrats, in usual fashion blaming everyone but themselves, were screaming bloody murder at the green party getting like 2% of the vote in 2016, claiming that cost them the election. No changes were made.
It sucks to vote for the least of two evils. But not voting at all is effectively half a vote for the worst of the two. Yeah, it feels like youre resisting if you refuse to play when there’s only a two party system. Not gonna accept only having a choice between two crappy people and their parties! Hold out by not voting! Or by voting for someone who has NO chance ? Well great, then you up your chances of next having no choice at all – with just one insane party and its dictator when they make it permanent. Not acting makes you responsible for installing Emperor Trump. Dint kid yourself.
Except voting for democrats is not acting when the end result is largely the same. There needs to be some way to send the message that we want better. The system is designed to bury that message except for rich donors.
Did you not watch television or something from 2016-2020? Biden isn’t going to enact a proletarian revolution, but he is LEAGUES less destructive for the country than Trump. Like, night and day difference between the two.
Were you not alive during 2000-2008 or do you have the memory of a goldfish? Trump is just a loudmouthed George W Bush, from the warmongering to the immigration policy (remember Bush’s border fence?) to the opposition to abortion, etc, etc. Democrats pretended to be in opposition to Bush, but they’ve been helping in rehabilitating his image since then. Trump is nothing new, he’s just business as usual for republicans. Now we have Biden pledging to massively boost funding for a genocidal ethnostate in the middle of their campaign of bloodlust. Uh, yeah, such night and day difference.
A loudmouthed GWB? Are you for real? Did you see Jan 6 2021? Trump is his own unique dumpster fire burning through every governing norm not explicitly written into law. By saying “man and we thought GWB was bad!” during Trump’s term doesn’t equal rehabilitating his image to me.
Oh yeah, and Trump is a sore loser who wanted people to overturn election results to get him a second term. He should’ve done what Bush did who had his bro pull some strings to turn Florida in his favor. Trump may have wanted to steal an election but Bush actually did it. As bad as Trump was, Bush was actually worse.
Primaries and education
Primaries like 2016 where massive support for Bernie was shouted down as “Bernie Bros” and blamed for Hillary losing somehow? Or are you talking more like 2020 where the party called all other candidates to drop out and put their full support behind Biden right before super tuesday? As for “education” that’s rather vague.
The way to send the message is to vote third party. Every Republican I talk to tells me it’s a vote for the Democrats and every Democrat I talk to tells me it’s a vote for the Republicans. In reality it’s a message: We want something else. I really feel like Trump’s message in 2016 of draining the swamp had a lot of appeal to people. I live in super red territory and many of the hard core trumpers I have visited with have expressed that our current system is broken and corrupt - they felt like Trump was going to be at least something different. It’s a powerful message, unfortunately it’s Trump and therefore unconscionable to vote for him.
We need to legitimize and destigmatize multiple options beyond the two terrible parties.
Ross Perot got over 18% of the vote in 1992 which is way higher than any third party could ever hope for these days, but no message was received by the two dominating parties. The attitude is that a third party is a wasted vote and it’s reinforced whenever “the other guy” gets in. Democrats, in usual fashion blaming everyone but themselves, were screaming bloody murder at the green party getting like 2% of the vote in 2016, claiming that cost them the election. No changes were made.