• PupBiru
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    81 year ago

    3rd party in the US is almost certain to amount to nothkng given how game theory, the spoiler effect, defensive voting, the electoral college, and various other social and mathematical things come together

    here’s a great series by CGP grey on why that is:
    https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

    the reality is that a vote for 3rd party is the same outcome as not voting… its awful, but sadly that’s the way it is. if you want to vote 3rd party, you need to work to change the system somehow first

    • @aelwero
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      -21 year ago

      There’s a ballot… it’s a list of options… You go in, you pick out which is the best option.

      It’s YOUR vote, it’s your choice.

      You can decide your voice has to pick the ones that are gonna win, like it’s a keno card.

      You can decide that your voice is going to pick the little letter next to the name that identifies each option as belongings to the stupid little tribes.

      You can declare which is best for you. You can declare which is best for the collective. You can declare which is the best option to get good leadership…

      I tend towards the collective. I don’t give a fuck who’s going to win, I don’t give a fuck about their tribe. I usually go in knowing what I’m gonna see for options and the general philosophy of each (fucking Google man, it’s so much easier these days… there was a time when that took some leg work.).

      The simple reality is that the best choice for the overall good is very rarely a winner. That’s a damned shame, but it is what it is. The best I can do with that is to declare it with my vote. I’m not enabling shit, I’m not voting defensively, I’m not screwing up my keno card… I’m declaring which option is the best on the list in my opinion.

      It should be that simple. It IS that simple for me. It could be that simple for you. Your vote, your voice, you can use it to state your own opinion and not whatever bullshit you’re told you’re stuck with.

      I’m not saying people should vote a tribe, or game the system, I’m saying your vote should be your own.

      • PupBiru
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        41 year ago

        but thats kinda the point: you SHOULD be able to pick the option that’s best for you, but in reality if that option isn’t 1 of the 2 major parties then it suffers from the spoiler effect and all that candidate does is pull votes from their closest competitor!

        FPTP is fundamentally broken, and you can never choose 3rd party if you want your vote to matter… you said it’s a shame, and that’s true! but it’s also maths and sociology

        it’s a fixable problem, but not with the system that exists in the US right now