Former President Barack Obama cautioned against ignoring the complexities of the Israel-Hamas war, warning that “all of us are complicit.”
“If you want to solve the problem, then you have to take in the whole truth. And you then have to admit nobody’s hands are clean, that all of us are complicit to some degree,” he said in an excerpted interview with Pod Save America released Saturday.
So your stance is Hamas’ isn’t an asshole?
no, they’re fucking awesome for doing something against fascist genocide
but no tell me from your little chair in the suburbs how actually your detached position is better somehow
Nope.
Either way, my ‘both-sideism’ is mostly the ability to be empathetic to the situation both sides are in currently.
If I were a Palestinian in Gaza, I would be pissed at essentially being born into an open air prison with the boots of another that hates me in my neck all my life. I would be willing to fight, however I could, to strike back at my jailers.
If I were an Israeli, I’d see Gaza as filled with dangerous people who want to exterminate me an my family. I would ideally want them gone, but knowing that’s not possible, id want them kept as non threatening as possible in their cage.
Neither side is wrong; if I were Israel I wouldn’t want any kind of solution that empowers a group whose stated goal is my death. And I can’t blame the anger of the residents of Gaza for their treatment over the decades.
We have already established that you are “empathetic” to white supremacist settler-colonialism - which in itself proves that your “empathy” is no less facetious as everything else that emanates from right-wing ideology.
And if you were German in the 1940s, you’d see everybody to the east of Germany as dangerous “Jewish Bolshevists” that must be exterminated at every cost.
And according to the mentally diseased liberal “centrist” hive mind you are a proud member of, you wouldn’t be wrong, would you?
No, Sonny Jim, you are wrong - and you know it, too. That’s why you’re tying yourself into white supremacist logic-pretzels to apologize for your support of white supremacist settler-colonialism.
That is it. End of story.
False equivalency. Eastern European Jews never stated their intention was to exterminate the German people and they never carried out acts of violence in furtherance of that goal.
This statement reads like you don’t believe Israel has any kind of legitimate security concern in Hamas, which we both know is insane.
Really? Hold on while I get some popcorn - I’m going to need it while I watch you explain to me how Palestinians were planning the genocide of millions of Jewish people in Europe, Asia and the Americas. That little white supremacist logic-pretzel of yours is about to grow HUMONGOUS.
White supremacist settler-colonialist states has no legitimate concerns whatsoever.
So lets address this.
I’m guessing you are referring to the fact that Israel as a nation is less than a century old and has, as policy, granted citizenship to anyone of Jewish ancestry?
I do believe that the creation of Israel should have never happened. The creation of an ethnostate - especially an ethnostate tied so closely to a religion, was a mistake.
With that said, I don’t think that has much bearing on the current situation. 80+ percent of Israeli citizens were born in Israel. They aren’t new comers, for most this is their home and the only home they’ve ever known.
If your proposed solution is the forced dismantling of Israel and the forced relocation of it’s people, then you are simply trading one genocide for another.
White supremacist settler-colonialism is not a mistake - it’s policy. Do you think the hundreds of billions in murder-money the US gives Israel is merely the result of a typo?
And? Did you just assume that they were the first Jewish people to ever be born in Palestine? You did know that there has been Jewish and Christian Palestinians all this time, right?
It’s not my proposed solution - it is merely the only solution. Israel is a western-backed white supremacist settler-colonialist project - it has no more “right” to exist than the Crusader kingdoms of the middle ages did.
You mean… like white people in South Africa are being “genocided,” eh? What did you think? All people who has Israeli citizenship will simply drop dead as soon as the Israeli state packs up and leaves like the colonialist house of cards it truly is? Just like the Apartheid-regime in South Africa did?
Nationality is not culture, genius - you can’t commit genocide against a nationality. Nationalities aren’t people.
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Oh, the “enlightened centrist” hive mind doesn’t take me seriously?
Go on… threaten me with a good time.