Yea the only reason they haven’t attacked the UK or the us is because they are ether worried that they might actually be able to fight back or they just haven’t gotten around to it yet
Luckily us that US, and UK have a history of respecting everyone’s territory lol.
I cant understand how someone can see China as a threat but not US, UK or France, the 3 biggest colonial states right now (only if you are north-american, then I can understand).
Countries from South America and Africa are right now receiving technology from China, what was constantly denied by Europe and US to keep us as modern colonies, maybe this is why ppl from rich countries are so afraid of Communism
Yeah, sure, but don’t whine and complain to the US and Europeans when you are being surveilled, dehumanised and slaughtered in the future either by the Chinese themselves or by your corrupt, “democratically elected” leaders bribed by the PRC with its slave labour money. The “West” has certainly done some terrible things to the peoples of this world in the past - especially during colonialism - but compared to modern China or its “best buddies” (Russia, Iran, North Korea and all the other current autocratic fuckers in the world), (i) most of its citizens and officials have at least given up on imperialistic and national chauvinistic thinking and ideology and (ii) are not constantly trying to violently revise the legal international order (Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Tibet, South China Sea, etc.) by any violent or covert means possible!
To avoid unnecessary discussion, I would like to point out that I fully recognise the West’s illegitimate and unethical interference in the second and third world in the past and present. But two wrongs do not make a right - every nation, power or entity is still subject to the same rules, norms and principles!
“democratically elected” leaders bribed by the PRC with its slave labour money.
Dude, you are just ignoring reality, you are accusing Chinese government of doing exactly what McCarthyism did all around the world, why were someone disagrees with Europe and US politics and align it is automatically “leaders bribed by the PRC”? Why in your mind third world countries can’t have an strong opinion? Why they can’t try even be socialist?
most of its citizens and officials have at least given up on imperialistic and national chauvinistic thinking and ideology
Where are you living my dude?
France is just refusing to accept the new Niger government and trying everything to support their deposed ally.
The entire western world is public denying Palestinians right to defend themselves and sometimes comparing Arabs as animals.
Cuba embargo it is still a thing after 51 years after the missile crisis.
Iraq invasion is 2003
Libya was put in a bloody civil war for groups backed by Obama government, creating the biggest migratory issue since the Jews with Nazism.
In 2013, leaked documents PROVED that US spied several governments, including countries like Brazil.
The judge that tried to imprison Lula had close ties with FBI.
Elon Musk publicly expressed support of the Bolivian failed coup, nothing related to the fact that Bolivia has on of the biggest Lithium reserves.
I would like to point out that I fully recognise the West’s illegitimate and unethical interference in the second and third world in the past and present.
No you don´t, you explicit said above you don’t.
But two wrongs do not make a right
I totally agree here but you should make accusations based in reality, not based on some idealization you have about the countries. The way you put is like China is a bloody dictatorship that colonizes ppl, and on the west we have beautiful democracies and help his friends to grow flowers.
And pls, I beg you to not come with the “at least we can complain publicly” cause ppl starving are not heard anyway, ppl incarcerated in US are not heard, the mothers and childrens separated in the US border are not heard, the ppl leaving leaving wars in Libya and Siria, created by western backed groups are not heard, ppl with jobs living in the streets cause they cannot pay rent are not heard.
Reducing a complex country like China as a “dictatorship” is just creating an idealized view of the world to criticize someone that we don’t know, to criticize a nation like they were incapable of self determination. You can disagree with everything but it is still a country that raised the life expectancy from 43 in 1950 to 2 years close to US in 2023.
And exactly because this I disagree completely when you see western has abandoned chauvinism, cause I see this meme and your comment as chauvinist as fuck.
Ppl here acting like Hong Kong was a Paradise before the handover to China, the issue with Hong Kong democracy dates from (oh the irony, the domain of the state by UK) before 97, where only around 40%-50% of the population was allowed to vote, and this remains until today.
Russia, Iran, North Korea and all the other current autocratic fuckers in the world
This is just a moral argument, US and Europe have great relationships with Saudi Arabia, a country that allegedly killed an journalist in foreign territory. And I ask you what would they do? Ally with US that have a think tanks like VOC, specialized in creating fake news about china? You also forgot, the entire South-America, Africa and Oceania are very close to China. Seems just like another country doing things that benefits them, exactly like everyone.
are not constantly trying to violently revise the legal international order
There is 750 US military bases in 80 countries in the world. US literally invaded 2 countries in the past 20 years and financed at least 3 coup attempts recently.
Tibet
You said you were not looking into the past but are getting Tibet from 1951 as an example.
Lets talk about what US made to Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia?
Again, you say you “recognize” but you don´t. You seems to say this only to keep your moral superiority, you chose to ignore what western did and KEEPS doing, just to reinforce your idealized version of the world. And I’m not even discussing that most of the western countries aren’t even functional democracies.
I don’t think you do this on purpose, don´t take this as a personal attack, it’s not my intention.
But from a third world born, your take seems like an adolescent discussing geopolitics in the school. The world is not an Ideal place and all countries are fighting each other, military or not, and China is no exception, and the ideal world you seems to believe does not exists.
This is just how China is with anything that isn’t China
This is how China treats some Chinese people as well.
Yea the only reason they haven’t attacked the UK or the us is because they are ether worried that they might actually be able to fight back or they just haven’t gotten around to it yet
Luckily us that US, and UK have a history of respecting everyone’s territory lol.
I cant understand how someone can see China as a threat but not US, UK or France, the 3 biggest colonial states right now (only if you are north-american, then I can understand).
Countries from South America and Africa are right now receiving technology from China, what was constantly denied by Europe and US to keep us as modern colonies, maybe this is why ppl from rich countries are so afraid of Communism
Yeah, sure, but don’t whine and complain to the US and Europeans when you are being surveilled, dehumanised and slaughtered in the future either by the Chinese themselves or by your corrupt, “democratically elected” leaders bribed by the PRC with its slave labour money. The “West” has certainly done some terrible things to the peoples of this world in the past - especially during colonialism - but compared to modern China or its “best buddies” (Russia, Iran, North Korea and all the other current autocratic fuckers in the world), (i) most of its citizens and officials have at least given up on imperialistic and national chauvinistic thinking and ideology and (ii) are not constantly trying to violently revise the legal international order (Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Tibet, South China Sea, etc.) by any violent or covert means possible!
To avoid unnecessary discussion, I would like to point out that I fully recognise the West’s illegitimate and unethical interference in the second and third world in the past and present. But two wrongs do not make a right - every nation, power or entity is still subject to the same rules, norms and principles!
Dude, you are just ignoring reality, you are accusing Chinese government of doing exactly what McCarthyism did all around the world, why were someone disagrees with Europe and US politics and align it is automatically “leaders bribed by the PRC”? Why in your mind third world countries can’t have an strong opinion? Why they can’t try even be socialist?
Where are you living my dude? France is just refusing to accept the new Niger government and trying everything to support their deposed ally. The entire western world is public denying Palestinians right to defend themselves and sometimes comparing Arabs as animals. Cuba embargo it is still a thing after 51 years after the missile crisis. Iraq invasion is 2003 Libya was put in a bloody civil war for groups backed by Obama government, creating the biggest migratory issue since the Jews with Nazism. In 2013, leaked documents PROVED that US spied several governments, including countries like Brazil. The judge that tried to imprison Lula had close ties with FBI. Elon Musk publicly expressed support of the Bolivian failed coup, nothing related to the fact that Bolivia has on of the biggest Lithium reserves.
No you don´t, you explicit said above you don’t.
I totally agree here but you should make accusations based in reality, not based on some idealization you have about the countries. The way you put is like China is a bloody dictatorship that colonizes ppl, and on the west we have beautiful democracies and help his friends to grow flowers. And pls, I beg you to not come with the “at least we can complain publicly” cause ppl starving are not heard anyway, ppl incarcerated in US are not heard, the mothers and childrens separated in the US border are not heard, the ppl leaving leaving wars in Libya and Siria, created by western backed groups are not heard, ppl with jobs living in the streets cause they cannot pay rent are not heard.
Reducing a complex country like China as a “dictatorship” is just creating an idealized view of the world to criticize someone that we don’t know, to criticize a nation like they were incapable of self determination. You can disagree with everything but it is still a country that raised the life expectancy from 43 in 1950 to 2 years close to US in 2023. And exactly because this I disagree completely when you see western has abandoned chauvinism, cause I see this meme and your comment as chauvinist as fuck. Ppl here acting like Hong Kong was a Paradise before the handover to China, the issue with Hong Kong democracy dates from (oh the irony, the domain of the state by UK) before 97, where only around 40%-50% of the population was allowed to vote, and this remains until today.
This is just a moral argument, US and Europe have great relationships with Saudi Arabia, a country that allegedly killed an journalist in foreign territory. And I ask you what would they do? Ally with US that have a think tanks like VOC, specialized in creating fake news about china? You also forgot, the entire South-America, Africa and Oceania are very close to China. Seems just like another country doing things that benefits them, exactly like everyone.
There is 750 US military bases in 80 countries in the world. US literally invaded 2 countries in the past 20 years and financed at least 3 coup attempts recently.
You said you were not looking into the past but are getting Tibet from 1951 as an example. Lets talk about what US made to Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia?
Again, you say you “recognize” but you don´t. You seems to say this only to keep your moral superiority, you chose to ignore what western did and KEEPS doing, just to reinforce your idealized version of the world. And I’m not even discussing that most of the western countries aren’t even functional democracies. I don’t think you do this on purpose, don´t take this as a personal attack, it’s not my intention. But from a third world born, your take seems like an adolescent discussing geopolitics in the school. The world is not an Ideal place and all countries are fighting each other, military or not, and China is no exception, and the ideal world you seems to believe does not exists.
Every dig you take at China is something the US is currently or has previously done.