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I completely disagree with your take, but it’s not the first time I’ve heard it. I’m interested to understand why do you think these are basically all the same?
Most of what you’re describing is a regular 3 act structure with the beats of almost any adventure movie. A lot of their movies are action adventures, so that’ll happen. I like experimental arthouse stuff, too. Why knock Marvel for doing what these genres will likely always do?
It’s a sure sign of over saturation when you’re starting to inadvertently teach film theory to people that don’t care about it!
People don’t actively compare films usually if they are visually or thematically different. Seven samurai and magnificent seven are the same exact film, but most people don’t notice unless they know or watch them back to back.
By making all these films that are visually identical and thematically similar, they make the structure similarities obvious even to the most untrained eye.
Can’t disagree that oversaturating the market is definitely a challenge of theirs to work against or keep up with, but it’s not necessarily a problem. That’s like saying the biggest issue with marvel movies that they’ve been making so much money that we got a GOTG triology. Doesn’t sound like a problem for the Guardian fans. What about getting Spider-Man a decent third movie for a change?
ALL these films are visually identical or thematically similar is just reductionist and when I hear people make that blanket statement, all that sounds like to me is a complaint to the costume department.
ALL these films are visually identical or thematically similar is just reductionist and when I hear people make that blanket statement, all that sounds like to me is a complaint to the costume department.
It’s not a complaint about the costume department. It’s a praise of the costume department. And the props department. And the visual effects department. And the editing and the everything. The franchise is visually recognizable, it has a signature look. It’s glorious and obviously marvel.
People will make comparisons though. And in the process figure out the secret sauce of action movies.
Then I don’t know what your point is then. They made too many movies and they’re all the same? Help me understand that point of view, because the abridged the Hero With A Thousand Faces take kinda boils down to either an issue with aesthetic or an issue with action movies in general regardless of what Marvel’s been doing.
I already explained my point, in detail, twice. However, you keep trying to shove that straw man “they are all the same” turd my way. You’ll forgive me for not indulging you yet again.
There’s no point to keep talking since you are obviously not engaging in good faith.
You’re right, but when MCU movies are combined they’re all the same. Like I said, I enjoy them, don’t think I don’t. But after so many I wish they would have branched out a bit.
I’m not with the Marvel police accusing anybody of not being a fan here. We’re just sharing and comparing ideas.
When you say they should’ve branched more, does that look like She Hulk? Dr Strange? GotG? Werewolf by Night? They have and do branch out a ton, some of them unsuccessfully and others are very good. So, like I keep hearing that criticism that they should branch out more or they’re all the same but really I think they’ve just had a few under performing movies this last year. The worst movies that Marvel makes feel like paper dolls of something we’ve seen before, yeah agreed. I just take issue with saying all marvel movies are all the same because it doesn’t really talk about why some don’t work and it undercuts the ones that did work, it’s just reductionist. Thor 2 checked all the bare minimum marvel boxes without any substance and sucked, there’s a lot fair criticisms to be made there. Comparing that to She Hulk which was also subpar and the overlap is almost nonexistent.
Like what kind of branching out would you be excited about, Marvels’ Jesus Christ Superstar?
Not really a critique of anything. Storytellers will always tell stories about people with powers; they always have. Marvel at it’s peak was making good movies and it’s not because Captain America’s Shield has cartoon bounce powers. They’ve covered a lot of different genres in interesting ways, successfully. That’s like saying, all stories are they same because there’s characters in them.
If no pavement was injured in the making of this movie then I think this might be a brave new choice for marvel. I thought Ragnorok was pretty earth shattering until I remembered Asgard is a different planet.
Maybe because they basically keep making the same movie over and over again. Stop beating the horse.
I completely disagree with your take, but it’s not the first time I’ve heard it. I’m interested to understand why do you think these are basically all the same?
I like them, but there is a very defined formula.
I like the MCU movies, but this format becomes incredibly obvious especially in the newer movies. I wish they’d just get a bit more creative.
Most of what you’re describing is a regular 3 act structure with the beats of almost any adventure movie. A lot of their movies are action adventures, so that’ll happen. I like experimental arthouse stuff, too. Why knock Marvel for doing what these genres will likely always do?
It’s a sure sign of over saturation when you’re starting to inadvertently teach film theory to people that don’t care about it!
People don’t actively compare films usually if they are visually or thematically different. Seven samurai and magnificent seven are the same exact film, but most people don’t notice unless they know or watch them back to back.
By making all these films that are visually identical and thematically similar, they make the structure similarities obvious even to the most untrained eye.
Can’t disagree that oversaturating the market is definitely a challenge of theirs to work against or keep up with, but it’s not necessarily a problem. That’s like saying the biggest issue with marvel movies that they’ve been making so much money that we got a GOTG triology. Doesn’t sound like a problem for the Guardian fans. What about getting Spider-Man a decent third movie for a change?
ALL these films are visually identical or thematically similar is just reductionist and when I hear people make that blanket statement, all that sounds like to me is a complaint to the costume department.
It’s not a complaint about the costume department. It’s a praise of the costume department. And the props department. And the visual effects department. And the editing and the everything. The franchise is visually recognizable, it has a signature look. It’s glorious and obviously marvel.
People will make comparisons though. And in the process figure out the secret sauce of action movies.
Then I don’t know what your point is then. They made too many movies and they’re all the same? Help me understand that point of view, because the abridged the Hero With A Thousand Faces take kinda boils down to either an issue with aesthetic or an issue with action movies in general regardless of what Marvel’s been doing.
I already explained my point, in detail, twice. However, you keep trying to shove that straw man “they are all the same” turd my way. You’ll forgive me for not indulging you yet again.
There’s no point to keep talking since you are obviously not engaging in good faith.
You’re right, but when MCU movies are combined they’re all the same. Like I said, I enjoy them, don’t think I don’t. But after so many I wish they would have branched out a bit.
I’m not with the Marvel police accusing anybody of not being a fan here. We’re just sharing and comparing ideas.
When you say they should’ve branched more, does that look like She Hulk? Dr Strange? GotG? Werewolf by Night? They have and do branch out a ton, some of them unsuccessfully and others are very good. So, like I keep hearing that criticism that they should branch out more or they’re all the same but really I think they’ve just had a few under performing movies this last year. The worst movies that Marvel makes feel like paper dolls of something we’ve seen before, yeah agreed. I just take issue with saying all marvel movies are all the same because it doesn’t really talk about why some don’t work and it undercuts the ones that did work, it’s just reductionist. Thor 2 checked all the bare minimum marvel boxes without any substance and sucked, there’s a lot fair criticisms to be made there. Comparing that to She Hulk which was also subpar and the overlap is almost nonexistent.
Like what kind of branching out would you be excited about, Marvels’ Jesus Christ Superstar?
Because there are superheros probably.
Not really a critique of anything. Storytellers will always tell stories about people with powers; they always have. Marvel at it’s peak was making good movies and it’s not because Captain America’s Shield has cartoon bounce powers. They’ve covered a lot of different genres in interesting ways, successfully. That’s like saying, all stories are they same because there’s characters in them.
I don’t disagree at all, about to watch the Marvels myself. Moreso I’ve seen a lot of people argue that point, not that I was making it myself :p
Edit: I liked the movie, nothing groundbreaking but it was definitely fun
If no pavement was injured in the making of this movie then I think this might be a brave new choice for marvel. I thought Ragnorok was pretty earth shattering until I remembered Asgard is a different planet.
Lmao, now that you mention it, there was a lot of concrete broken.
At its* peak.
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