• @Aux
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    -137 months ago

    No, they just need money and Ukraine is completely fucked economically right now. Also Ukrainian government is still cooperating with Russia in many ways. For example, Russian gas still flows through pipes in Ukraine, Russia still pays money for transit and Ukraine is happy about it.

    • @hemmes
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      117 months ago

      I see a lot of text but no links

        • @hemmes
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          37 months ago

          Thanks for the links. The Economist is a paywall, but the wiki’s always a good read.

          This article from Columbia is a good read as well (and no paywall). It brings up a good point that the volumes are down to “around a third of their pre-war levels.” Which makes more sense than how the OP was presenting things. No way you’ll simply halt that kind of economic relationship so quickly. But they go on to say that transit flows are still very much at risk.

          I guess I’m just trying to point out that Ukraine is very much at war, but both belligerents depend on each other economically, which certainly defies expectations, as they say.

          • @[email protected]
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            27 months ago

            Thanks. Sorry for paywall, the article was readable linked from a search as is often the way. Archive.today will open it.

            The economic codependency is surprising to some but logical I suppose.

      • @Mango
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        -327 months ago

        A link is just pointing at someone else saying it. What makes someone else a better source?

        • XbSuper
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          267 months ago

          Their journalistic integrity. You are no one, therefore your word carries no weight. Link sources, or don’t expect people to believe you.

          • @Mango
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            -167 months ago

            Oh boy, calling someone a nobody and whining about integrity in the same breath! Literally everyone is just somebody. Believe them based on evidence rather than your simple minded stylistic impressions. Putting on a lab coat doesn’t add any more credibility than putting on a bath robe.

            • @interceder270
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              7 months ago

              I’m not going to say you’re wrong.

              But believing something is true just because you read it from some random commenter on the internet isn’t really smart.

              It’s smart to ask them where they’re getting their information.

              • @Mango
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                -27 months ago

                Naw, I’m more interested in the how.

                When it comes to believing, I don’t believe in it.

        • Lemminary
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          37 months ago

          What makes someone else a better source?

          They have a history of adhering to facts, so they’ve built up a good reputation.

          You can look them up on mediabiasfactcheck.com and other independent fact checkers like Snopes to see how much of a reliable source they are.

          • @Mango
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            -127 months ago

            Oh boy here we go.

            The best lies have truths sprinkled around them.

            Snopes got snoped. Snopes is actually terrible. I’m surprised to see their old reputation is still holding out with some people.

            Nobody is a good source. Material needs to stand on it’s own. Everyone has a camera, but only well established sources have high quality photo manipulation.

            • Lemminary
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              The best lies have truths sprinkled around them.

              Lies as in deception and not human error? If I’m reading that right, it sounds like there may be some trust issues on your part but I’ll let you elaborate.

              Snopes got snoped. Snopes is actually terrible.

              Did they? By who? Can you… *ahem*… provide a link? Because that at face value sounds like you’re poisoning the well. You keep casting wide generalizations without backing them up. Sure, I could look it up, but I want your sources specifically for various reasons.

              And I’m just gonna say that of course every source has a degree of accuracy to them because the world isn’t black and white, which is the reason why reliability is a spectrum.

              Nobody is a good source.

              I’m sorry but it’s screaming trust issues again but harder.

              Material needs to stand on it’s own.

              Can you elaborate? Because I’m also getting weird vibes from this one.

              only well established sources have high quality photo manipulation

              This is simply not true, not in the world of AI and not in the world of Photoshop. If you can’t convincingly manipulate a photo using free tools and/or pirated software, then it’s a skill issue. See here for more details.

              • @Mango
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                -17 months ago

                Why do you think I should just trust? I can’t go more than a few seconds in a day without someone trying to sell me some bullshit. I don’t have a trust issue. I have a distrust feature.

                You want me to give you my exact source where I learned this information years ago? Why would I bother cataloging that shit? I can’t even keep the world from stealing everything I’ve ever worked for. Do you think I’m just gonna look it up on the spot to appease your little act when my whole point is to figure shit out myself?

                Well established sources can hire skill with all their money they make with sensationalized nonsense. I can’t just pick that shit up. I gotta spend 8 hours a day making the land owners some money and after that I’m fond of enjoying myself.

                • Lemminary
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                  I’m not saying you should “just trust” but that you have an issue with trust that’s getting in the way of a healthy skepticism and exercising critical thinking. I’m all for distrusting the internet but you can’t just raze it all and call everything lies. Especially when you then turn around and spread hearsay.

                  You want me to give you my exact source where I learned this information years ago?

                  No, I want you to look it up in less than a minute. That’s less than half the time it took you to write your comment. It serves many purposes like:

                  • Proving it to yourself as much as proving it to me
                  • See how skeptic or gullible you may be by the type of source you do trust
                  • Make sure we’re on the same page
                  • Sticking to facts instead of relying on memories

                  You’re saying you don’t want to participate, so why should I trust you at all? Because In less than 30 seconds I found this:

                  We also rate them Mostly Factual in reporting rather than High due to an investigation that indicates a co-founding editor engaged in plagiarism. The plagiarism was not related to Fact-Checks and they remain credible for fact-checking.

                  Full story here.

                  Two highly reliable sources mean they’re reasonably trustworthy, and way more trustworthy than you are, random chatter. And it turns out that what you remember from many years ago is quite different from reality.

                  So if you don’t want to participate in “a little act” that’s fine, but at least don’t spread false claims. After all, we do live in a society.

                  • @Mango
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                    17 months ago

                    The only issue you have with my trust is that I do not trust you and what you think are the cheat codes for belief.

                    Two highly reliable sources mean they probably have aligned goals.

                    I’m not spreading claims. I’m showing people how they don’t have to believe under pressure.

    • @[email protected]
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      87 months ago

      It’s all a really weird theatre isn’t it? This geopolitical stuff.

      Perhaps Ukraine should advance alongside the pipeline, which Russian troops dare not shell.

    • @Madison420
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      57 months ago

      It may surprise you but inter nation deals during war are not at all uncommon. While we were bombing Berlin we were also selling them shit they needed and couldn’t get without us in exchange for shit we needed and couldn’t get without them.

      Capitalism gunna capitalize.

      • @interceder270
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        127 months ago

        Why would that surprise him? He literally explained that’s what’s happening.

        • @Madison420
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          17 months ago

          You as in the reader not you as in the commentor who I think understood the meaning hence the lack of response.