Hospitals have been caught in the crossfire during the Israel-Hamas war — both literally and in the clashing narratives of the conflict.

JERUSALEM (AP) — The head of surgery at Gaza’s largest and most advanced hospital held up his phone Saturday to the hammering of gunfire and artillery shelling. “Listen,” said Dr. Marwan Abu Sada as fighting raged around Shifa Hospital.

  • be_excellent_to_each_other
    12•7 months ago

    That’s a false dichotomy. They are killing them as fast as they think the international community will tolerate. They won’t kill them fast enough to provoke any major entity into opposing them, they will just stay firmly in the “everyone will wag their fingers at us and argue about whether it’s right” zone, which is where they sit currently.

    • thatsage
      -10•7 months ago

      And what will make you believe genocide isn’t the end goal? The refugees leaving through Egypt don’t?

      • be_excellent_to_each_other
        9•7 months ago

        The refugees leaving through Egypt don’t?

        How could they? Reiterating my prior point:

        They are killing them as fast as they think the international community will tolerate. They won’t kill them fast enough to provoke any major entity into opposing them, they will just stay firmly in the “everyone will wag their fingers at us and argue about whether it’s right” zone, which is where they sit currently.

        So the fact that this leaves open the possibility that some people get to flee their homes in terror, knowing that their friends and loved ones who refuse to be chased out of their homes by Israel are likely to be killed by the IDF, is one of the things that you feel might convince me that Israel doesn’t have genocidal intent?

        And what will make you believe genocide isn’t the end goal?

        Clearly nothing that you’re going to accept.

        • thatsage
          -10•7 months ago

          Removed by mod

          • be_excellent_to_each_other
            5•7 months ago

            I didn’t say no conditions anyone would accept, I said no conditions you are going to accept. You wouldn’t be carrying water to this level if you would.

            • thatsage
              1•7 months ago

              But let’s hear them, why “hide” it?

              • be_excellent_to_each_other
                1•7 months ago

                But let’s hear them, why “hide” it?

                LOL ok you sure got me there. Here’s your chance to prove me wrong.

                Stop now. Say “hey, we got our pound of flesh (and about 2000 more pounds too), let’s stop and figure out a path forward.”

                And since Kbin doesn’t seem to want to let me upload inline images today:

                https://i.imgur.com/XwHVxrT.png

                • thatsage
                  1•7 months ago

                  So… You mean negotiate with Hamas?

                  • be_excellent_to_each_other
                    1•7 months ago

                    Well that would be step 2. Step one would be stop murdering people for a bit.

                    I did tell you that you wouldn’t accept it.

                    This conversation is concluded, unless you are about to give me a very surprising response.