It does, though. Antisemitism is the cornerstone of Nazism. Not just genocide, but the destruction of Jews. Trump and the modern GOP are racist, genocidal fascists, but not Nazis.
You are technically incorrect here. Nazism comes from National Socialism first and foremost, and the ideology itself was not inherently antisemite, though it certainly became most associated with antisemitism due to the “us vs them” ethos the person you were responding to pointed out. The Nazis as we know them historically, did view Jewish people as the enemy- but remember that the Nazis also targeted other groups and ethnicities as well.
But dehumanising groups of people and referring to them as vermin (to make their idiot followers easier to persuade that the groups are not real people) is definitely straight out of the Nazi playbook.
Nazism comes from National Socialism first and foremost.
This is wrong for different reasons. “National Socialism,” as a political idealogy, played virtually no role in Nazism, aside from the use of a politically trendy buzzword to garner public support in the early years of the party.
In 1920, the DAP renamed itself to the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei – NSDAP (National Socialist German Workers’ Party, commonly known as the Nazi Party). Hitler chose this name to win over left-wing German workers. Despite the NSDAP being a right-wing party, it had many anti-capitalist and anti-bourgeois elements. Hitler later initiated a purge of these elements and reaffirmed the Nazi Party’s pro-business stance.
and the ideology itself was not inherently antisemite
The Nazi Party and Hitler are (like Nazism and antisemitism, funnily enough) inextricable. In every practical sense, the Nazi Party existed solely as a tool for Hitler to use. Antisemitism was the foundation of Hitler’s political career. Again, it’s impossible to say that “the idealogy of Nazism was not antisemitic” when it was led unilaterally by “Antisemite: The Guy.”
but remember that the Nazis also targeted other groups and ethnicities as well.
The majority of these other people were political enemies. Communists and Westerners did not face even a fraction of the social hate or dehumanization as the Jews. Yes, it’s wrong to say that the Jews were the only target of the Nazis, but it’s also wrong to say that they were not the target of the Nazis.
But dehumanising groups of people and referring to them as vermin (to make their idiot followers easier to persuade that the groups are not real people) is definitely straight out of the Nazi playbook.
Not “groups of people,” this is what I’ve been saying the whole time. Dehumanizing Jews and referring to them as vermin is straight out of the Nazi playbook. Many people have referred to target groups as vermin throughout history. Julius Caesar did it to the Gauls. Andrew Jackson did it to the Amerinds. Mao did it to the capitalists. None of those figures are called Nazis because antisemitism is the cornerstone of Nazism and Nazism without antisemitism is an oxymoron.
First they came for the Transgendered and I did not speak up because I was not Transgendered….replace transgendered with whatever you like, immigrants, gays, liberals, conservatives. No one should be treated as less than human just because you disagree with them.
I don’t even know how this is meant to respond to my comment. Trump and the GOP are racist, genocidal fascists. They’re not Nazis. Nazism and antisemitism are inextricable. “Pro-Israel Nazism” makes as much sense as “pro-USA Communism.”
The article doesn’t call him a Nazi, it says he’s using Nazi rhetoric. Everyone knows the Nazi’s didn’t like Jewish people but that’s not what the article is about.
This article in my eyes is a symptom of a larger mistake people make of “Trump/MAGA/Republicans are literally Nazis.” The specificity of Nazism versus Fascism makes that accusation meaningless.
Oh yes, the Nazis: famous supporters of Israel
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It does, though. Antisemitism is the cornerstone of Nazism. Not just genocide, but the destruction of Jews. Trump and the modern GOP are racist, genocidal fascists, but not Nazis.
Fascism was the corner stone of Nazism, Fascism uses a social hierarchy which is essentially “them” and “us”.
… and Nazism places that “them” as “the Jews.” You are literally proving my point. Nazism without “the Jews” as the enemy is just fascism.
You are technically incorrect here. Nazism comes from National Socialism first and foremost, and the ideology itself was not inherently antisemite, though it certainly became most associated with antisemitism due to the “us vs them” ethos the person you were responding to pointed out. The Nazis as we know them historically, did view Jewish people as the enemy- but remember that the Nazis also targeted other groups and ethnicities as well.
But dehumanising groups of people and referring to them as vermin (to make their idiot followers easier to persuade that the groups are not real people) is definitely straight out of the Nazi playbook.
This is wrong for different reasons. “National Socialism,” as a political idealogy, played virtually no role in Nazism, aside from the use of a politically trendy buzzword to garner public support in the early years of the party.
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The Nazi Party and Hitler are (like Nazism and antisemitism, funnily enough) inextricable. In every practical sense, the Nazi Party existed solely as a tool for Hitler to use. Antisemitism was the foundation of Hitler’s political career. Again, it’s impossible to say that “the idealogy of Nazism was not antisemitic” when it was led unilaterally by “Antisemite: The Guy.”
The majority of these other people were political enemies. Communists and Westerners did not face even a fraction of the social hate or dehumanization as the Jews. Yes, it’s wrong to say that the Jews were the only target of the Nazis, but it’s also wrong to say that they were not the target of the Nazis.
Not “groups of people,” this is what I’ve been saying the whole time. Dehumanizing Jews and referring to them as vermin is straight out of the Nazi playbook. Many people have referred to target groups as vermin throughout history. Julius Caesar did it to the Gauls. Andrew Jackson did it to the Amerinds. Mao did it to the capitalists. None of those figures are called Nazis because antisemitism is the cornerstone of Nazism and Nazism without antisemitism is an oxymoron.
Yes, “the Jews” you said Israel which isn’t mentioned in the article.
First they came for the Transgendered and I did not speak up because I was not Transgendered….replace transgendered with whatever you like, immigrants, gays, liberals, conservatives. No one should be treated as less than human just because you disagree with them.
I don’t even know how this is meant to respond to my comment. Trump and the GOP are racist, genocidal fascists. They’re not Nazis. Nazism and antisemitism are inextricable. “Pro-Israel Nazism” makes as much sense as “pro-USA Communism.”
The article doesn’t call him a Nazi, it says he’s using Nazi rhetoric. Everyone knows the Nazi’s didn’t like Jewish people but that’s not what the article is about.
This article in my eyes is a symptom of a larger mistake people make of “Trump/MAGA/Republicans are literally Nazis.” The specificity of Nazism versus Fascism makes that accusation meaningless.
But you didn’t say that, you made a comment about Israel which isn’t mentioned anywhere in this article.