Republicans in Ohio want to undermine the will of voters who approved a measure enshrining reproductive freedom into the state’s constitution.

Republicans in Ohio want to undermine the will of voters who approved a measure enshrining reproductive freedom into the state’s constitution

  • @[email protected]
    0•1 year ago

    Rights don’t really exist in a meaningful way outside of like humans agreeing on them. They’re not like mass that you can measure. If everyone decided “Blue eyed people don’t have the right to own property” well then that’s the world. Compare with if everyone said “Gravity on earth accelerates at 5 m/s^2”

    Rights are agreements. They are aspirational. But they don’t just automatically exist in any meaningful way.

    • @[email protected]English
      0•1 year ago

      That’s not true. Just because they’re immaterial doesn’t mean they don’t exist – best practices in terms of social interaction aren’t limited to humans, and most of what makes life what it is – our thoughts, dreams, imaginations, even our religions – are immaterial and unfalsifiable. Other species even have self-awareness and theory of mind, so you can’t argue rights don’t exist.

      Your reasoning is a blatant bandwagon fallacy and therefore invalid. If everyone else in the world decided blue-eyed people didn’t have rights, those blue-eyed people would still have them. You all simply decided to violate them collectively, and the revenge and war your actions would bear would be ones you rightfully deserve. Rights aren’t about who can do what. They’re about your existence on this earth and what it is you should prioritize and choose to fight. They are the spiritual essence of self-worth.

      They exist regardless of whether other people agree to them or not. That’s the whole point of rights.

      You’re clearly looking for a way to either dismiss rights or dismiss me, so let’s make it easier for you: That’s just lame ass authoritarian tripe you were told to convince you to submit to the lockdowns and other covid restrictions. You’re one of those types. The type who watched everyone collectively ignore and reject respect for human rights and decided, “Well, if rights truly existed, how could we have gotten away with bullying everyone else to being put on house arrest for three years and all the other cruel shit we did to them?”. And you’re just an idiot blowhard for thinking that way.

      Now prove my point by completely derailing the debate with meaningless pro-lockdown talking points, come on. 🙄

      • @[email protected]
        0•1 year ago

        Please show your work proving that rights exist beyond things people agree to.

        They’re aspirational but they’re also made up. They change based on culture and context. We can say people have a right to a fair trial, but that is created, not discovered.

        You can say you have the right to do whatever but that’s just something you said. It’s not enforced by anything unless people agree. Rights are just customs and laws with better branding.

        I have no idea why you’re talking about the pandemic, either.

          • @[email protected]
            1•1 year ago

            You think I’m a fascist? You clearly don’t know me.

            Furthermore! Just because it says something in an old document, that doesn’t prove anything. Lots of old documents say lots of things. And additionally, the declaration of independence doesn’t even have legal weight. It’s not the constitution. And even furthermore, even if it did have legal weight, the important part would be the laws and their enforcement, not some nebulous axiomatic “”“rights”“”*

            Wait, do you think I’m anti-abortion or siding with the republicans here?