I saw this post from [email protected], and I wanted to share it here to get more discussion because it is important. I’m hoping that this post won’t crowd out any voices, and while I’ve tried to keep this post productive and inclusive, please call out any concerns and use the post if you prefer :)
The post I linked had concerns about increasing misogyny and sexism, how there are fewer women on Lemmy, and how that might be a part of the problem.
Before I start, for those that don’t want to hear u/otter ramble again, some communities that you should could join and participate in:
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Communities related to Women
Communities related to Men
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There are also communities like [email protected] and [email protected], and you can find more areas I didn’t think about on lemmyverse.net.
So one thing I wanted to comment was that there may be more women on here than you might think! Lemmy is anonymous, and the issue of low activity affects the men oriented communities the same way as the women oriented ones. By participating in the communities above, we can make that more apparent (ex. Mastodon has a pretty nice blend of people).
By saying this, I don’t want to ignore legitimate concerns, but rather it’s because I find statements like “this platform doesn’t have X group” discourages X group from participating.
Now, in order to make this problem better, I think it might help to highlight the benefits and work on the risks:
Benefits to highlight
- Backups: Lemmy allows for an official backup of existing communities for women. If the Reddit one is shut down (it DOES happen), the Lemmy one would be available for regrouping
- Inclusive: Lots of people left Reddit for privacy/ads/accessibility reasons, including women. Everyone deserves a space
- Empowering: The Fediverse makes it easy to run an instance owned, funded, moderated, and operated by women
Risks to work on:
- Doxxing & Deletion: This affects everyone, but it might affect women more/in different ways. When there is something you want to get rid of, say because of doxxing/stalking/creepy behaviour, it’s much harder to do that with federation. Some of this can be fixed by fixing federation, and some of it might come down to crowdsourcing legal help. Past that I don’t know…
- Moderation: This is Lemmy specific. Women-oriented communities attract trolls, as do other community areas, and Lemmy moderation needs work.
Growing communities
- General community building ideas apply here as well
- Trust would help in this case. Getting in touch with existing community moderators on Reddit, and setting up a parallel / sister community setup would encourage people to post here.
- Anything else? :)
Just a thought, communities dedicated to one particular gender are often not inclusive by design, especially if you actively try to funnel people of a certain gender to certain communities. And therefore they, historically, have tended to devolve into echo chambers, and then subsequently into toxic spaces, with little room for nuanced discussion nor hosting a broad range of opinions. That’s not to say all communities are like this and most don’t start out like that either. There is value to have these communities if they themselves promote inclusion. But putting people of a particular gender into a gender-specific community is not at all the solution to “Too few women on Lemmy”.
I’d rather see the focus on making the general communities be welcoming to everyone equally.
I have to agree to disagree.
I often do find myself more likely to talk about gender specific issues when I know that the space I’m in will make an effort to exclude those people who don’t understand that some topics aren’t for them. I have seen, time and again, how any topic focusing on the issues of a specific gender will bring out hordes of people to scream about how this exclusion is somehow evil or wrong just because it excludes them.
Gender specific conversations draw out trolls like nothing else.
Yeah I’m not prone to talk about misogyny in my career field in general spaces for that career, but in spaces for women in it I’m much more comfortable talking about it.
Adding to this, a lot of times these communities forget to be intersectional, so they end up having a racist or terf problem
I getchya but also, you should see what happened to the “men die early” thread on twoX. It’s a LOT of guys complaining, kind of drowning out any women making points and throwing downvotes at them pretty hard.