• Jeena
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    921 year ago

    I’ve never understood thy people are so obsessed telling others that they should not eat dog meat while mjnching on a burger with crispy bacon and chicken nuggets.

    If a vegan does it then I get it, but you are not a better person because you arbitrarily chose not to eat some specific meat, but have no problem with cruelty when it comes to other species.

    • @whenigrowup356
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      771 year ago

      I’m a vegan, but one argument specifically against allowing dog meat trade is that it often encourages stealing companion animals (aka pets) to make a quick buck. Sometimes they’re held ransom and people have to pay the thieves to keep a member of their family from being killed and eaten. Wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

      Also, dogs were bred specifically to live alongside humans, to form bonds with us. To do that to any organism and then treat it like livestock is a special kind of monstrous.

      So I’m in favor of drawing as many lines as possible when it comes to animal consumption of any kind. And then, if the situation makes you uncomfortable about some of the other lines you’ve drawn around cows, pigs, or chickens, then you analyzing those in more depth too is also a win in my book.

      • @scarabic
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        61 year ago

        Nuanced take. 👍

      • @[email protected]
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        Sometimes they’re held ransom and people have to pay the thieves to keep a member of their family from being killed and eaten.

        thats just blackmail it has nothing to do with commercializing dog meat… that stuff is already illegal

        • @whenigrowup356
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          31 year ago

          My point is that it happens more frequently in places where dog meat is frequently consumed.

      • Jeena
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        21 year ago

        This is what I was talking about a vegan will have coherent arguments because they have been thinking about it.

        • @SkippingRelax
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          -11 year ago

          Coherent indeed. Something about dog being held ransom so eating dog is bad?!

      • @[email protected]
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        11 year ago

        It makes no sense to ban the consumption of dogs simply because you are afraid of dog thieves. Do you ban driving a car because some people steal a car?

        Nothing in this world is completely beneficial, but you can’t ban everything.

        • @scarabic
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          51 year ago

          No, but I did actually see a used bike store get shut down because too many stolen bikes were finding their way there. Sometimes to end a practice you have to go downstream and destroy the market for that thing. There’s no market for vehicular deaths - they just happen.

        • @[email protected]
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          51 year ago

          Stealing a car takes way more effort than kidnapping a pet. I’d also bet that people have way more personal attachment to pets than cars because pets are beings with emotions and cars are not.

          • @[email protected]
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            -11 year ago

            What about windows? Should we ban that as they are easy for thieves to break?

            Whether you have more personal attachment to a car, a pet or anything else is a completely personal thing, everyone should have their choice.

            • @[email protected]
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              21 year ago

              Almost nobody is attached to their windows. Most people treat pets as family members.

              If people stealing pets to consume them is a huge problem, then it makes sense to ban the consumption of pets because the benefits of the law outweigh the drawbacks on a society. People who eat dogs ““ethically”” can easily move on to other animals, and the people who continue to consume stolen pets can be punished more harshly, causing fewer people to steal pets. That law would be a net win because the good it does for pet owners vastly outweighs the bad it does for dog consumers.

              • @[email protected]
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                01 year ago

                Why don’t you rob the richest people and share the money with the poorest? Or just ignore the interests of the minorities? Apparently, the good outweighs the bad based on your calculation.

                • @[email protected]
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                  11 year ago

                  Why don’t you rob the richest people and share the money with the poorest?

                  We should. The opposite literally happens on a daily basis.

                  Or just ignore the interests of the minorities?

                  The US used to do that. It didn’t end well for anybody on multiple occasions. There’s a reason why US politics is so focused on civil rights, because the good outweighs the bad on a societal level.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    11 year ago

                    We should. The opposite literally happens on a daily basis.

                    99% percent of people can be much richer if we share the 0.1% richest people. This never happened. Besides, do you believe Robin Hood is allowed by law in modern society?

                    The US used to do that. It didn’t end well for anybody on multiple occasions. There’s a reason why US politics is so focused on civil rights, because the good outweighs the bad on a societal level.

                    Do you think what China does to Uyghurs, and what Russia does to LGBT is justified? Apparently, they believe the good outweighs the bad, only at the cost of a few people.

        • @whenigrowup356
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          21 year ago

          If you banned driving cars, there just wouldn’t be any cars around. That analogy has little to do with dogs. What is it about a ban that makes no sense to you?

          • @[email protected]
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            11 year ago

            You can replace cars with anything else and it still makes no sense. It’s no one else but the thieves who should take the consequences.

            • @whenigrowup356
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              41 year ago

              We ban things we want less of. More eating dogs means a bigger market for all dog meat, which means a bigger market for theft. I want less of that.

              People don’t steal things that no one wants to buy.

              I’m talking about the side effects of fostering a culture where eating a non-livestock animal is ok. My argument is that this kind of culture is pointlessly cruel to an animal that we’ve explicitly bred to be a companion.

              One element of discouraging a culture is government action, a ban (coercion). I argue this is a necessary step in ending a cruel practice.

              The other is cultural compliance (people behaving in a certain way regardless of the presence of law enforcement officials). I argue this is a necessary step as well, by way of education and improving access to alternatives.

        • @poopkins
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          11 year ago

          The analogy would not be to ban driving cars, but ban the resale of cars. The incentive for theft is the value; if you remove the value, then there is less incentive to steal it.

          So to answer this hypothetical question, should we ban the resale of cars? No, because the owner can be insured for the monetary value of their stolen vehicle. What is the monetary value of a pet? I don’t believe this can be quantified.

          • @[email protected]
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            11 year ago

            Many people like their cars just like the way you like your pets. They should be treated equally.

            • @poopkins
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              21 year ago

              This debate sure took an unexpected turn.

    • @[email protected]
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      291 year ago

      Yeah I personally wouldn’t be comfortable eating dog meat but I do eat meat so I realise I have no moral high ground. In reality if you have a problem with this as a meat eater it should make you question your own choices if anything.

      • @scarabic
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        91 year ago

        When I asked a vegan about her choice she asked me if I would eat my pet. I must admit the biggest thought in my mind was that it wouldn’t taste good, so no. I’m not sure if I could raise a livestock animal and then eat it. Possibly, but probably not since they get slaughtered early in their lives. So I guess I’m a hypocrite just like most people, taking shelter in out-of-sight, out-of-mind.

      • @scarabic
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        61 year ago

        It keeps some people from having children who really shouldn’t have children. So it has its uses.

    • @scarabic
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      91 year ago

      It’s because most people don’t know a cow or chicken. If they did, things might be different. In fact I remember seeing Ira Glass speak and he recounted how he spent some time at a retreat where chickens roamed free, and after having the time and opportunity to observe that they think and feel and have different personalities, he became a vegetarian.

      • Jeena
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        61 year ago

        I think you are probably right. For me it’s kind of the opposite but still consistent. When I was a child we had many different animals and I had names for many of them including the sheep Bartek which me and my sister would ride often. In the end we would eat all those animals (but not the dogs or cats). So I’ve been friends with other animals than dogs, I’d even say they were better friends then the dogs I had because I have a hard time remembering the dogs names.

        • @sizzler
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          -31 year ago

          Yet again, another person blinded by the culture they are raised in. You are no better than a dog eater.

          • Jeena
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            51 year ago

            I think you are misunderstanding something, I am a dog eater.

            • @sizzler
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              -31 year ago

              Proud psychopath is proud to be a psychopath, whoda thunk it.

                • @sizzler
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                  -31 year ago

                  Imagine you, coming into a thread about banning eating dogs and proudly announcing you eat dog then trying to act like it’s others who can’t read the room…

      • @SkippingRelax
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        41 year ago

        Doubt it. people had chicken roaming free in their backyard for millennia and never had an issue. One bloke observing chicken free and turning vegetarian is hardly an explanation.

        • @Fedizen
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          factory farms play a large role in people’s unease to buy meat from an industrial supplier.

          I think its less about empathizing with animals and more about understanding the casual brutality of guys in suits.

    • @aidan
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      71 year ago

      Agreed, I was actually having a discussion where I mentioned certain parts of China and Korea eating dog- and a girl got mad at me saying it was a myth and I was being racist. 1. It’s not a myth, I’ve seen it. 2. I wasn’t condemning it, you’re the one saying it’s bad not me.

    • @[email protected]
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      41 year ago

      I’m not a dog person, but I gave a cat. The idea of cats being farmed and eaten isn’t pleasant for me. I don’t think that makes me morally superior to someone who eats cats, but it does mean I’d prefer it not happen anywhere near me.

      • @WhiteHawk
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        61 year ago

        Do you mean racism against cows or chickens?

        • @interceder270
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          01 year ago

          That would be real racism, but I mean racism against brown people.

    • @[email protected]
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      -61 year ago

      It’s not about arbitrary choices; it’s about cultural perspectives. Dogs are often seen as companions, and advocating against eating them is rooted in that sentiment. Just as you might find it odd to eat a pet you’ve grown up with, some feel the same about dogs. It’s about empathy and cultural values, not just personal dietary choices.