… I’m just curious. How many people here think that there are no tunnels or military resources under the hospital, and Israel is making it all up? If you think that’s probably the case, upvote this comment.
edit: Feel free to downvote if you think it’s probably not the case. I don’t care about the karma, I’m just curious about the poll results.
This poll is not going to be accurate because you have worded it so. Everyone knows there are tunnels there because Israel dug them in particular there before leaving occupation in 2006. The real questions should be if they are connected, serving as a logistics hub, or used for storage of weapons. Even then, that’s a completely different question on if it was justified to take the hospital in the way they did as opposed to just bombing it and of the certainty of the intelligence played into the decision making there.
And I don’t understand, you’re saying it’s better to bomb the hospital given it’s acting as a military hub? That it’s better to bomb it rather than taking it over?
Israel occupied the Gaza strip until 2005. There is certain infrastructure that they built and tunnels under that hospital was one of them. It was not for military purposes but they know it is there. It’s important to understand the context behind the news as well as the events themselves.
Um… Sources? First time I hear of them digging tunnels.
But even if they did dig tunnels for non-military purposes in the 2000s, they have good intelligence of it being used as a military storehouse (even if you don’t believe their intelligence, which is regarded as one of the best in the world by several nations worldwide, you can hear the same from 7/10 terrorists’ testimonies in captivity).
And it’s proven that Hamas’ strategy is digging tunnels for themselves, as in 2014 they used those tunnels in fighting the IDF and for invading bordering villages.
The IDF is the source. That doesn’t mean that the rest of the intelligence is not true, tunnels haven’t expanded, and that they are not using them for military purposes. It is simply focused on that hospital in particular.
I agree, the poll is basically guaranteed to be at least somewhat inaccurate, for quite a few different reasons. I’m not looking for concrete answers though, just general vibes is fine.
edit: As huge a proponent of the scientific method as I am, it is by design a very slow, thorough and methodical process, that tries to hone in on very accurate answers.
Geopolitics in the modern world is extraordinarily fast. Everything can change in a single day, and never-before-seen things are always right around the corner now. For this reason, the scientific method, while very useful for understanding current geopolitics at some future date, will never be able to actually participate in it in real time, at any kind of major scale. Nor should it, as speeding it up to do so would add inaccuracy.
History involves science. Geopolitics is an art, and will be until scientific research can be done in minutes and hours instead of days, weeks and months. It’s a technical hurdle.
That is not confirmed, it’s currently in the “seems” category, which just isn’t good enough. Things are not always as they seem, judging books and covers, etc etc etc.
If actually confirmed, this would be devastating evidence, likely enough to change my mind, personally. Jumping straight to that conclusion is premature, though, we’ll see. Thanks for sharing it though. I wouldn’t put it past anyone, and it is definitely deeply concerning.
I would say that any evidence provided by any participant in any war should always be examined with extreme rigor. No exceptions. Definitely wouldn’t just trust the IDF or anything. I do apply the same standard to their opposition, however.
The IDF has a pretty clear record of lying out of their teeth. Most recently, they released that video of a “nurse in al-Shifa” that later turned out to be an entirely faked video.
… I’m just curious. How many people here think that there are no tunnels or military resources under the hospital, and Israel is making it all up? If you think that’s probably the case, upvote this comment.
edit: Feel free to downvote if you think it’s probably not the case. I don’t care about the karma, I’m just curious about the poll results.
This poll is not going to be accurate because you have worded it so. Everyone knows there are tunnels there because Israel dug them in particular there before leaving occupation in 2006. The real questions should be if they are connected, serving as a logistics hub, or used for storage of weapons. Even then, that’s a completely different question on if it was justified to take the hospital in the way they did as opposed to just bombing it and of the certainty of the intelligence played into the decision making there.
Bro what? Israel digging tunnels in Gaza?
And I don’t understand, you’re saying it’s better to bomb the hospital given it’s acting as a military hub? That it’s better to bomb it rather than taking it over?
I’m so confused by your comment.
Israel occupied the Gaza strip until 2005. There is certain infrastructure that they built and tunnels under that hospital was one of them. It was not for military purposes but they know it is there. It’s important to understand the context behind the news as well as the events themselves.
Um… Sources? First time I hear of them digging tunnels.
But even if they did dig tunnels for non-military purposes in the 2000s, they have good intelligence of it being used as a military storehouse (even if you don’t believe their intelligence, which is regarded as one of the best in the world by several nations worldwide, you can hear the same from 7/10 terrorists’ testimonies in captivity). And it’s proven that Hamas’ strategy is digging tunnels for themselves, as in 2014 they used those tunnels in fighting the IDF and for invading bordering villages.
The IDF is the source. That doesn’t mean that the rest of the intelligence is not true, tunnels haven’t expanded, and that they are not using them for military purposes. It is simply focused on that hospital in particular.
I agree, the poll is basically guaranteed to be at least somewhat inaccurate, for quite a few different reasons. I’m not looking for concrete answers though, just general vibes is fine.
edit: As huge a proponent of the scientific method as I am, it is by design a very slow, thorough and methodical process, that tries to hone in on very accurate answers.
Geopolitics in the modern world is extraordinarily fast. Everything can change in a single day, and never-before-seen things are always right around the corner now. For this reason, the scientific method, while very useful for understanding current geopolitics at some future date, will never be able to actually participate in it in real time, at any kind of major scale. Nor should it, as speeding it up to do so would add inaccuracy.
History involves science. Geopolitics is an art, and will be until scientific research can be done in minutes and hours instead of days, weeks and months. It’s a technical hurdle.
Deception is at the core of all warfare. Politics is inseparable. Any tool to increase data will be gamed for political ends.
Warfare is politics by other means. Politics is not warfare by other means.
The BBC has already confirmed that the IDF is planting guns in al-Shifa: https://twitter.com/_RichardHall/status/1725498963174752490?t=eRT8uuGerft1G0Hs9mbnjg&s=19
That is not confirmed, it’s currently in the “seems” category, which just isn’t good enough. Things are not always as they seem, judging books and covers, etc etc etc.
If actually confirmed, this would be devastating evidence, likely enough to change my mind, personally. Jumping straight to that conclusion is premature, though, we’ll see. Thanks for sharing it though. I wouldn’t put it past anyone, and it is definitely deeply concerning.
The CNN is picking it up too, it seems: CNN analysis: Video suggests IDF might have rearranged weaponry at Al-Shifa prior to news crew visits
Even playing Devil’s advocate, it shows a blatant disregard for provenance and calls into question any evidence the IDF provides to journalists.
I would say that any evidence provided by any participant in any war should always be examined with extreme rigor. No exceptions. Definitely wouldn’t just trust the IDF or anything. I do apply the same standard to their opposition, however.
The IDF has a pretty clear record of lying out of their teeth. Most recently, they released that video of a “nurse in al-Shifa” that later turned out to be an entirely faked video.