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  • @LeroyJenkins
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    96 months ago

    correct me if I’m wrong but I thought net neutrality by definition was the ISPs doing these shenanigans. at least that’s what I gathered when the whole topic was blowing up with that guy with the face we all up voted on Reddit so he’d show up on Google Images under “punchable faces” or something.

    I agree this is an anti-competitive tactic. that’s what I was referring to as it being a shitty dark pattern thing - to lure people into using their tools.

    • Snot Flickerman
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      86 months ago

      It’s about prioritization of data, which can be through ISPs, but in this case, it’s Google choosing to prioritize or deprioritize data.

      I understand, yes, that’s its generally aimed at ISPs, but this is an example of a non-ISP using data-shaping to impact use of their service.

      • @LeroyJenkins
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        06 months ago

        it seems quite by definition that ISP are what it’s about though

        the principle that internet service providers should enable access to all content and applications regardless of the source, and without favoring or blocking particular products or websites. -Oxford Dictionary

        Net neutrality is the principle that an ISP has to provide access to all sites, content, and applications at the same speed, under the same conditions, without blocking or giving preference to any content. -Wikipedia

        Network neutrality—the idea that Internet service providers (ISPs) should treat all data that travels over their networks fairly, without improper discrimination in favor of particular apps, sites or services - EFF

        Net neutrality, principle that Internet service providers (ISPs) should not discriminate among providers of content. -Britannica

        • Snot Flickerman
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          16 months ago

          The fact that its an oversight to not apply it to companies like Google if they are also choosing what traffic gets to people is an oversight, to be sure.

          Google acts as an ISP in a different capacity, as well. Alphabet spun off lots of parts of the company, but last I checked, they’re still technically an ISP. So why wouldn’t rules apply to a business that is also literally an ISP with Google Fiber?

          • @LeroyJenkins
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            6 months ago

            Google is not an ISP lol not when we’re talking about YT

              • @LeroyJenkins
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                36 months ago

                hit post too fast but we’re talking YT here. this isn’t going through their ISP. it literally does not count. if Google fiber added the slow lane, sure net neutrality problem.

          • @LeroyJenkins
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            -16 months ago

            also, it’s not an “oversight”. we’re just literally not talking about net neutrality here and that’s what I’m saying. this isn’t a net neutrality problem lol

            • Snot Flickerman
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              06 months ago

              And up until a few months ago Net Neutrality was a dead issue in America, and could be again, because it isn’t a law, it’s an FCC rule. If people report this to the FCC, there’s definitely a chance that they could look at this and amend NN rules to account for it. They can literally change it anytime they want.

              • @LeroyJenkins
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                16 months ago

                bro just admit you got the definition wrong and stop with this please. idc if it should be. it’s not. by definition.

                • Snot Flickerman
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                  6 months ago

                  Fine, I got it wrong. Happy? I still think its a fucking joke that it wouldn’t apply in this instance, because it literally involves them degrading service for certain users over others.

                  • @LeroyJenkins
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                    6 months ago

                    yes, actually! its a positive thing when people can admit that. I was just getting frustrated that you were beating around the bush when you were wrong. look, I, too, believe in net neutrality and companies not being anti competive dick holes, but we gotta use the right words for things or else people start mixing issues up and it weakens the issue as a whole when people start confusing it with other things.