In your opinion what’s the difference between the two? In my opinion both terms are frequently used interchangeably in the workplace.

But I’d like to consider myself as an engineer, because although I don’t consider myself to be good at it, I think I cares about the software that I worked on, its interaction with other services, the big picture, and different kinds of small optimizations.

I mean, what is even engineering?

  • @MajorHavoc
    41•6 months ago

    Considering the almost complete lack of standards, certification, licensing in most areas of programming, I don’t think there’s a ton of difference.

    I’ve held both titles without rhyme or reason between the two. Even in areas requiring high compliance - HIPAA, PCI/DSS, NIST Standards, FERPA, etc - training achieved doesn’t tend to be reflected in a programmer’s title. (Even while the same level of training turns into acronym soup among their IT peers.)

    One way I try to live up to the title “Engineer” - even when I don’t wear it - is by holding myself to the Engineering Code of Ethics.

    • @[email protected]
      4•6 months ago

      One of the issues is that devs don’t know about the normal engineering certifying body (at least in the US). One of the problems with that body was its expectation that a software engineer also know other forms of engineering. For example, a chemical engineer needs to know some civil and industrial engineering to get their certification. It’s almost nonsensical to ask someone building cloud apps to understand the principles of chemical engineering unless their work is in chemical engineering.

      I know a ton of engineers that don’t view software as a field that can use the term because of its lack of certification.

    • Elias GriffinEnglish
      3•6 months ago

      Superb for including the Engineering Code of Ethics which I didn’t know exsisted! In my decades of working on every part of Computer Systems, Information Systems, unfortunately, I personally think if you work for Big Tech, you cannot abide those Code of Ethics. From the website>

      Fundamental Canons

      Engineers, in the fulfillment of their professional duties, shall:

      1. Hold paramount the safety, health, and welfare of the public.
      2. Perform services only in areas of their competence.
      3. Issue public statements only in an objective and truthful manner.
      4. Act for each employer or client as faithful agents or trustees.
      5. Avoid deceptive acts.
      6. Conduct themselves honorably, responsibly, ethically, and lawfully so as to enhance the honor, reputation, and usefulness of the profession.

      How many Google Code Monkeys violate 1 or more of those on the daily? For instance in Canon 1, it does not say profit is paramount, but that public welfare is paramount. In fact, you could argue that is a competing objective working for Big Tech and following ethics.