• Flying Squid
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    08 months ago

    No I’m not. That’s what you appear to be arguing. Either the founding documents are what we derive American values from, in which case we have to accept the bad things as well as the good things, or they are not, in which case we need a different way to define our values and what makes them American.

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      8 months ago

      Then go back and reread my comment three up in this thread where I said that the DoI was a statement of values, and the Constitution is an attempt to make a goverment based on those values

      • Flying Squid
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        -18 months ago

        Then, again, what makes a document written before America existed where we get American values from? They would not be American values if they were written before there was an America.

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          8 months ago

          In Congress, July 4, 1776

          The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, …

          America didn’t begin with the signing of the Constitution.

          • Flying Squid
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            -28 months ago

            It absolutely did. Those states still operated as independent entities. They were united on the issue of declaring independence. Until the Constitution was signed, the states were not united as a nation.

            • @Zoboomafoo
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              28 months ago

              Do you think Rome didn’t exist before Caesar Augustus took power?

              Did England spring from William of Normandy’s forehead fully formed, clad in a wool coat and singing Rule Brittania?

              • Flying Squid
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                18 months ago

                Neither of those were multiple independent nations.

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                  8 months ago

                  Neither were the 13 colonies

                  • Flying Squid
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                    18 months ago

                    What’s your point? It wasn’t one country yet either. I mean that seems to support what I was saying…