A victory for the man with peroxide hair would be a political earthquake - felt beyond the Netherlands' borders. Forming a government would also be complicated, with possible partners uncertain.
I know this won’t be a popular thing, but I’m gonna say it anyway. Leftist parties should talk a bit more about the same stuff that the right-wingers do. Would rather have a left-wing party bait people into voting for them with immigration rhetoric, instead of the fash.
I understand what you’re saying and I think this is what happened in Denmark, but I disagree.
We just can’t normalize xenophobia. My partner and I are of different nationalities and races and we’ve both been immigrants. Our future kids will be mixed race and might seem foreign regardless of where they live.
I don’t want to live in a society in which we normalize hatred for immigrants. I want everyone to feel welcome, I want everyone to feel like they belong.
Of course with left-leaning parties this small many foreigners already feel unwelcome, but if even left-leaning parties start with this hateful rhetoric… I would lose all hope and probably just leave. I wouldn’t feel safe to live here with my family.
Seriously, how come far right parties around the world are allowed to be as inflammatory as they can , but left wing parties need to be very careful about what they say or everyone starts screaming about communism and they get reprimanded?
It’s because most of our media and society has embraced capitalism and is motivated by profit, so any rhetoric that endangers bigger profit margins and economic transformation towards a more equal society is inherently against the interests and ideas of the influential actors of society
Leftist parties should talk a bit more about the same stuff that the right-wingers do. Would rather have a left-wing party bait people into voting for them with immigration rhetoric, instead of the fash.
What is then going to happen is that leftist values-voters will abandon those parties, so the parties deflate and still can’t govern. And if the new voters who were “baited” stay for a second electoral cycle, they then take control of the party and turn it into what we didn’t want to exist in the first place.
You win voters by convincing them that you have the best answers to their problems and the expertise to implement them.
Every time they tried this only strengthened the actual right wing. People then say “oh, if even the left says it, it must be ok. But then I might as well vote for the original”. That’s not an opinion, it’s empirical fact.
taking the positions of the fascists only helps them. It normalizes their vile and hate and people will always vote the original. This has failed time and time again.
The PVV (likely the biggest party in todays elections) is actually VERY economically left. They are only right, because they are very conservative. They hate EU regulations, want to stop support to Ukraine, and want to stop most immigration. But they also want to reduce taxes on groceries, reduce healthcare privatisation, and increase minimum wage.
The problem with all those plans, is that they are just bulletpoints. They never made a sound financial plan. Now they will have to prove that they can actually deliver all these promises, while being forced to cooperate with parties that refuse to break the constitution. I do not believe they can.
I know this won’t be a popular thing, but I’m gonna say it anyway. Leftist parties should talk a bit more about the same stuff that the right-wingers do. Would rather have a left-wing party bait people into voting for them with immigration rhetoric, instead of the fash.
I understand what you’re saying and I think this is what happened in Denmark, but I disagree.
We just can’t normalize xenophobia. My partner and I are of different nationalities and races and we’ve both been immigrants. Our future kids will be mixed race and might seem foreign regardless of where they live.
I don’t want to live in a society in which we normalize hatred for immigrants. I want everyone to feel welcome, I want everyone to feel like they belong.
Of course with left-leaning parties this small many foreigners already feel unwelcome, but if even left-leaning parties start with this hateful rhetoric… I would lose all hope and probably just leave. I wouldn’t feel safe to live here with my family.
Seriously, how come far right parties around the world are allowed to be as inflammatory as they can , but left wing parties need to be very careful about what they say or everyone starts screaming about communism and they get reprimanded?
It’s because most of our media and society has embraced capitalism and is motivated by profit, so any rhetoric that endangers bigger profit margins and economic transformation towards a more equal society is inherently against the interests and ideas of the influential actors of society
capitalism and fascism are natural allies, so the capitalist class happily embraces fascism if they believe it to be opportune.
I guess it’s like a morality/ civility thing for them, but at the end of the day, you can wipe your ass with morality when the fascists are winning.
No. you need to stay civil. If you go down to the level of the fascists they win. Their goal is to destroy democracy and democratic processes.
Thy have an advantage atthe game of politics,because they want to destroy the rules,so they dont need to uphold them.
This does not mean to be toothless. It needs clear positions and a strong fight,but not using their methods of unsermining the structure.
What is then going to happen is that leftist values-voters will abandon those parties, so the parties deflate and still can’t govern. And if the new voters who were “baited” stay for a second electoral cycle, they then take control of the party and turn it into what we didn’t want to exist in the first place.
You win voters by convincing them that you have the best answers to their problems and the expertise to implement them.
Every time they tried this only strengthened the actual right wing. People then say “oh, if even the left says it, it must be ok. But then I might as well vote for the original”. That’s not an opinion, it’s empirical fact.
taking the positions of the fascists only helps them. It normalizes their vile and hate and people will always vote the original. This has failed time and time again.
SP did that, and look where that got them.
That’s just stupid.
The PVV (likely the biggest party in todays elections) is actually VERY economically left. They are only right, because they are very conservative. They hate EU regulations, want to stop support to Ukraine, and want to stop most immigration. But they also want to reduce taxes on groceries, reduce healthcare privatisation, and increase minimum wage.
The problem with all those plans, is that they are just bulletpoints. They never made a sound financial plan. Now they will have to prove that they can actually deliver all these promises, while being forced to cooperate with parties that refuse to break the constitution. I do not believe they can.
They are economically left in there statements and manifest. But on economics and social issues they most of the time vote pretty right wing.