Because the goalpost is “the rockets aren’t a threat”.
The same Hamas rocket misfiring and striking in Gaza can kill over a hundred people (500 people when they thought it was an IDF bomb).
10,000 rockets with that potential for death and destruction have been fired into Israel by Hamas.
The reason a Hamas rocket kills more in Gaza than it does in Israel is that Israel has bomb shelters for its civilians whereas in Gaza Hamas has made it clear that the tunnels and shelters are for Hamas.
Your new goalpost seems to be “Israelis are good at seeking shelter and avoiding Hamas rockets, therefore the rockets aren’t a threat.”
You just brought up unsubstantiated claims and then bring up the Gaza “misfire” that basically only the US and Israel say was a misfire.
Perhaps though those are unsubstantiated isreali claims as well. And more than 10000 bombs have been dropped on civilian targets by Israel from the 7th to the 1st that Israel are winning to admit to.
Gaza is not allowed bomb shelters. The ones under al shifa that isrealis built were sealed specifically so they couldn’t be used as bomb shelters.
Fighters in Gaza launched a barrage of rockets toward Israel and in the direction of al-Ahli Hospital 44 seconds before an explosion there that killed at least 100 people, according to a visual analysis by The Washington Post.
Video obtained from Israeli television channel Keshet 12 News allowed The Post to geolocate the origin of the barrage to a point southwest of the hospital in Gaza City, matching the rough location the Israeli military has alleged was the launch site of a misfired rocket that it said landed on the hospital grounds. Experts said rockets from that barrage would have been able to reach the hospital in time for the explosion.
We contacted 20 think tanks, universities and companies with weapons expertise. Nine of them are yet to respond, five would not comment, but we spoke to experts at the remaining six.
We asked whether the available evidence - including the size of the explosion and the sounds heard beforehand - could be used to determine the cause of the hospital blast.
So far, the findings are inconclusive. Three experts we spoke to say it is not consistent with what you would expect from a typical Israeli air strike with a large munition.
J Andres Gannon, an assistant professor at Vanderbilt University, in the US, says the ground explosions appeared to be small, meaning that the heat generated from the impact may have been caused by leftover rocket fuel rather than an explosion from a warhead.
Justin Bronk, senior research fellow at the UK-based Royal United Services Institute, agrees. While it is difficult to be sure at such an early stage, he says, the evidence looks like the explosion was caused by a failed rocket section hitting the car park and causing a fuel and propellant fire.
Mr Gannon says it is not possible to determine whether the projectile struck its intended target from the footage he has seen. He adds that the flashes in the sky likely indicate the projectile was a rocket with an engine that overheated and stopped working.
US President Joe Biden voiced support for the Israeli position, telling reporters that “data” from the US Defense Department backed his assertion that Palestinian militants, not Israel, were to blame.
“While we continue to collect information, our current assessment, based on analysis of overhead imagery, intercepts and open source information, is that Israel is not responsible for the explosion at the hospital in Gaza yesterday,” National Security Council spokeswoman Adrienne Watson said on social media.
One of the photographers on the ground is Mohamed Saber, who distributed through the EFE agency one of the first images of the crater caused by the projectile that hit the Al Ahli parking lot. The hole, shallow and approximately three feet in diameter, forms an impact cone that goes from northeast to southwest. According to several experts, including U.S. military advisor Marc Garlasco, an expert in the investigation of war crimes, what hit the floor of the parking lot did not come from an airstrike. “Even the smallest JDAM [guided missile] causes a 3m [10-foot] crater,” Garlasco tweeted.
The United Kingdom echoes this conclusion, reports Rafa de Miguel: “On the basis of the deep knowledge and analysis of our intelligence and our weapons experts,” British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak told the House of Commons on Monday, “the British government judges that the explosion was likely caused by a missile, or part of one, that was launched from within Gaza towards Israel.”
The French investigations coincide with London and Washington. As reported by Agence France-Presse, the analysis carried out in Paris was even able to quantify the explosive charge that impacted the hospital at around five kilograms.
And even more to read here by following the references on the Wikipedia article:
All taken from Israeli sources and reporters on the ground after Israel took control and at the leisure of Israeli access and information control which it also states in your article.
Yes your article includes contractory information and again noted it’s inconclusive.
The sources also include photos of the site, the crater, and the type of damage. Photos of the hospital and surrounding areas in the aftermath shared by independent journalists.
Even the AP came to the same conclusion:
WHY IS AP STILL CONCLUDING A PALESTINIAN ROCKET WAS LIKELY TO BLAME?
AP’s updated analysis found that the most likely scenario is still that the medical facility was struck by a Palestinian rocket that went astray, with experts citing:
Three videos that show Palestinian militants launching multiple rockets from inside Gaza on a trajectory that would have taken them in the direction of the hospital seconds before the explosion. Damage at the scene was also not consistent with Israeli air strikes or artillery.
The only one not convinced here is you, who seems to take Hamas and Islamic Jihads word over multiple countries worth of reporters, experts, and analysts.
Yes things that require expert opinion and very thorough investigation. Not investigative journalists and Israeli meddling.
Not at all, most credible experts are withholding opinion until there’s an investigation especially given Israels track record of striking hospitals and lying about it namely one that was claimed to be a misfired rocket in prior years.
I did, they mention third party opinion from people who haven’t been there, haven’t been allowed full unfettered access and only do so at the whim of Israel and after Israel had been left alone with the scene. Nothing suspicious there.
I downvote things that are factually incorrect, you’ve not nor had Israel proven anything. They infer, imply and implicate, prove is not something isrealis do well or honestly willingly.
You’re lying now just to avoid answering the question. The first person who replied to you said that the rockets were not the threat you were making them out to be. Get over being wrong and stop defending war crimes.
I’m not defending Hamas Islamic Jihad killing over a hundred Palestinians at Al-Ahli hospital.
Are you?
Are you arguing the rockets are just fireworks? Just shot to provide a happy little light show and not intended to cause any death or destruction? All 10,000?
Would you be just as chill if one of those rockets were shot at your neighborhood? But don’t worry! You’ll get a 30 second warning to start running towards the nearest bomb shelter! You like running and getting your daily adrenalin pump, right?
Something something "Why won’t you answer how many Israelis have been killed by the 10,000 fired rockets?
Because. It. Doesn’t. Matter.
If you have the mental capacity to understand intent, then you wouldn’t be even asking that question because… (read the first line of this reply).
Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad are firing rockets into Israel with the express intent of killing random Israeli civilians.
War doesn’t work on a score system. You don’t just add up casualties and say “oh the numbers are the same! Let’s stop!” Or “Hey, you are killing more of us than we did of you, that’s unfair.”. If you have the mental faculties of a child you might think that, but adults understand that in a conflict there will be different objectives.
Hamas has the explicit objective to kill as many Israelis as possible and do so while hiding among Palestinian civilians, civilian infrastructure, or their underground tunnels and shelters (which are for Hamas and not the Palestinian civilians).
The IDF has the objective to eliminate Hamas wherever they are.
Israel has made it a priority to protect their civilians by fighting away from their civilian centers and providing bomb shelters within a 30s run from any point in their country.
Hamas has prioritized putting their command centers in civilian infrastructure, firing from populated areas, and limiting their enormous underground infrastructure for only their combatants and not for civilian protection.
They purposefully are doing what they can to maximize their civilian casualties. Why? Because they use it as a talking point that mindless idiots can parrot and use to condemn the IDF.
If Israel didn’t care about Israelis the way Hamas and the PIJ doesn’t care about Palestinians, then sure, Israel would have the same ridiculously high civilian casualties as Gaza is showing now.
You are proof that Hamas endangering Palestinians for a higher Gazan death count works.
So “lol” it up, child. You’re doing a good job parroting Hamas’ talking points and reacting the way they want you to. I’m sure they’ll fire another rocket from on top of a family home with 30 civilians in it in your honor.
You’re right. The threat level really doesn’t matter when Israel’s goal is to ethnically cleanse a population. They’ll will always be an excuse to commit atrocities regardless if people die or not. My bad for forgetting that.
Because the goalpost is “the rockets aren’t a threat”.
The same Hamas rocket misfiring and striking in Gaza can kill over a hundred people (500 people when they thought it was an IDF bomb).
10,000 rockets with that potential for death and destruction have been fired into Israel by Hamas.
The reason a Hamas rocket kills more in Gaza than it does in Israel is that Israel has bomb shelters for its civilians whereas in Gaza Hamas has made it clear that the tunnels and shelters are for Hamas.
Your new goalpost seems to be “Israelis are good at seeking shelter and avoiding Hamas rockets, therefore the rockets aren’t a threat.”
You just brought up unsubstantiated claims and then bring up the Gaza “misfire” that basically only the US and Israel say was a misfire.
Perhaps though those are unsubstantiated isreali claims as well. And more than 10000 bombs have been dropped on civilian targets by Israel from the 7th to the 1st that Israel are winning to admit to.
Gaza is not allowed bomb shelters. The ones under al shifa that isrealis built were sealed specifically so they couldn’t be used as bomb shelters.
I don’t think that’s what they’re saying.
From the link I provided
Also
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061
We asked whether the available evidence - including the size of the explosion and the sounds heard beforehand - could be used to determine the cause of the hospital blast.
So far, the findings are inconclusive. Three experts we spoke to say it is not consistent with what you would expect from a typical Israeli air strike with a large munition.
J Andres Gannon, an assistant professor at Vanderbilt University, in the US, says the ground explosions appeared to be small, meaning that the heat generated from the impact may have been caused by leftover rocket fuel rather than an explosion from a warhead.
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231018-what-we-know-about-the-deadly-blast-at-gaza-city-s-al-ahli-hospital
https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-10-24/a-reconstruction-of-the-al-ahli-hospital-massacre-in-gaza-that-set-the-islamic-world-on-fire.html
And even more to read here by following the references on the Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_Arab_Hospital_explosion#Rocket_vs_airstrike
All taken from Israeli sources and reporters on the ground after Israel took control and at the leisure of Israeli access and information control which it also states in your article.
Yes your article includes contractory information and again noted it’s inconclusive.
The sources also include photos of the site, the crater, and the type of damage. Photos of the hospital and surrounding areas in the aftermath shared by independent journalists.
Even the AP came to the same conclusion:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-e0fa550faa4678f024797b72132452e3
The only one not convinced here is you, who seems to take Hamas and Islamic Jihads word over multiple countries worth of reporters, experts, and analysts.
Yes things that require expert opinion and very thorough investigation. Not investigative journalists and Israeli meddling.
Not at all, most credible experts are withholding opinion until there’s an investigation especially given Israels track record of striking hospitals and lying about it namely one that was claimed to be a misfired rocket in prior years.
Then you didn’t read the articles I linked. Full stop.
Have you tried actually reading instead of mindlessly commenting and down voting anything that doesn’t agree with your prejudices?
I did, they mention third party opinion from people who haven’t been there, haven’t been allowed full unfettered access and only do so at the whim of Israel and after Israel had been left alone with the scene. Nothing suspicious there.
I downvote things that are factually incorrect, you’ve not nor had Israel proven anything. They infer, imply and implicate, prove is not something isrealis do well or honestly willingly.
And there is the crux of your argument and your bias.
1500 comments on Lemmy but you add very little of value. Your existence seems to be dedicated to only wasting strangers’ time.
That’s just sad, man.
Congratulations on being the first on my block list, troll.
You’re lying now just to avoid answering the question. The first person who replied to you said that the rockets were not the threat you were making them out to be. Get over being wrong and stop defending war crimes.
I’m not defending
HamasIslamic Jihad killing over a hundred Palestinians at Al-Ahli hospital.Are you?
Are you arguing the rockets are just fireworks? Just shot to provide a happy little light show and not intended to cause any death or destruction? All 10,000?
Would you be just as chill if one of those rockets were shot at your neighborhood? But don’t worry! You’ll get a 30 second warning to start running towards the nearest bomb shelter! You like running and getting your daily adrenalin pump, right?
How many times are you going to reply while still avoiding the question you were asked? I should start a betting pool lol.
Because. It. Doesn’t. Matter.
If you have the mental capacity to understand intent, then you wouldn’t be even asking that question because… (read the first line of this reply).
Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad are firing rockets into Israel with the express intent of killing random Israeli civilians.
War doesn’t work on a score system. You don’t just add up casualties and say “oh the numbers are the same! Let’s stop!” Or “Hey, you are killing more of us than we did of you, that’s unfair.”. If you have the mental faculties of a child you might think that, but adults understand that in a conflict there will be different objectives.
Hamas has the explicit objective to kill as many Israelis as possible and do so while hiding among Palestinian civilians, civilian infrastructure, or their underground tunnels and shelters (which are for Hamas and not the Palestinian civilians).
The IDF has the objective to eliminate Hamas wherever they are.
Israel has made it a priority to protect their civilians by fighting away from their civilian centers and providing bomb shelters within a 30s run from any point in their country.
Hamas has prioritized putting their command centers in civilian infrastructure, firing from populated areas, and limiting their enormous underground infrastructure for only their combatants and not for civilian protection.
They purposefully are doing what they can to maximize their civilian casualties. Why? Because they use it as a talking point that mindless idiots can parrot and use to condemn the IDF.
If Israel didn’t care about Israelis the way Hamas and the PIJ doesn’t care about Palestinians, then sure, Israel would have the same ridiculously high civilian casualties as Gaza is showing now.
You are proof that Hamas endangering Palestinians for a higher Gazan death count works.
So “lol” it up, child. You’re doing a good job parroting Hamas’ talking points and reacting the way they want you to. I’m sure they’ll fire another rocket from on top of a family home with 30 civilians in it in your honor.
You’re right. The threat level really doesn’t matter when Israel’s goal is to ethnically cleanse a population. They’ll will always be an excuse to commit atrocities regardless if people die or not. My bad for forgetting that.