you make it as though right to self-determination doesn’t matter
Did it for Hong Kong?
They do not identify as British, and Hong Kong is legally ceded back to China as part of 99 year lease deal between UK and China.
But the residents didn’t want to go to China, they wanted to exercise their “self-determination” and stay British, exactly what you’ve been advocating in your argument for the Falklands residents and Argentina and ownership staying with Great Britain.
Its very hypocritical to not apply the same thing to both circumstances.
"On the day of the handover — supposedly a day of celebration and jubilation to “shaking off colonial humiliation” and “returning to the motherland” – an opinion poll found that only 35% of Hong Kong people were actually feeling happy or positive, 56% reported feeling neutral, mixed, or nothing, while 9% reported feeling down, worried, or negative. Nevertheless, the fact that only 9% were feeling negative showed that people were in general not too pessimistic. They did see themselves as Chinese (hence the mixed and complicated feelings despite the anxiety) and were willing to give China a chance, wishing for its success: 75% of people said in a poll that they remained confident about Hong Kong’s future.
It would be more believable if you could recite a source that is not from a UK based organization.
From everything I’ve seen on TV people did not want to belong to a Communist country, and were fearful. The intellectuals were fleeing/fled the country, and the young have been protesting as China cracks down on their freedoms/rights (they had to move trools into a garrison inside of Hong Kong over the law changes/protests).
This was from watching American news, so it may have just been that slant colored the news being show, you can never tell, but the videos I saw seemed straightforward.
On a tangent, I’m going to “bow out” of further replies. I’ve been at this for coming up on 24 hours now, and am tired of everyone wanting their “pound of flesh”, and have said pretty much everything I can say. No disrespect meant to you, just thing the conversation has reached a termination point. Take care.
The Hong Kongers were given assurance to have “one country, two system” deal to assuage their concerns before the handover to China (of course that doesn’t exactly goes according to plan because CCP being CCP, but that’s another different topic). If Falklands were to be given something similar, then that might assuage the Falklanders. However, it’s unlikely since they unilaterally elected to remain with UK. How is Argentina going to deal with English-speaking Falklanders, whose traditions and customs still identify with the British? Argentines love to chest-thump about “taking back” Falklands but never think about what will happen next. As you said, it is exactly human failings. Argentina could not even get their things together and now they want to bring their own mess to somewhere else.
But the residents didn’t want to go to China, they wanted to exercise their “self-determination” and stay British, exactly what you’ve been advocating in your argument for the Falklands residents and Argentina and ownership staying with Great Britain.
Its very hypocritical to not apply the same thing to both circumstances.
This is what I found with cursory search.
"On the day of the handover — supposedly a day of celebration and jubilation to “shaking off colonial humiliation” and “returning to the motherland” – an opinion poll found that only 35% of Hong Kong people were actually feeling happy or positive, 56% reported feeling neutral, mixed, or nothing, while 9% reported feeling down, worried, or negative. Nevertheless, the fact that only 9% were feeling negative showed that people were in general not too pessimistic. They did see themselves as Chinese (hence the mixed and complicated feelings despite the anxiety) and were willing to give China a chance, wishing for its success: 75% of people said in a poll that they remained confident about Hong Kong’s future.
https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/hongkongers-and-britain-a-history-with-a-future/
Well, have you asked the local Falklanders yourselves if they want to be part of Argentina? Did you consider what they want? Would you like Argentina to return to Spain? It’s easy to try to speak when it’s not your own life that’s at stake. But then again, Argentines have history of their own colonisation and genocide, which Charles Darwin himself noted during his visit. Keep grasping for straws.
It would be more believable if you could recite a source that is not from a UK based organization.
From everything I’ve seen on TV people did not want to belong to a Communist country, and were fearful. The intellectuals were fleeing/fled the country, and the young have been protesting as China cracks down on their freedoms/rights (they had to move trools into a garrison inside of Hong Kong over the law changes/protests).
This was from watching American news, so it may have just been that slant colored the news being show, you can never tell, but the videos I saw seemed straightforward.
On a tangent, I’m going to “bow out” of further replies. I’ve been at this for coming up on 24 hours now, and am tired of everyone wanting their “pound of flesh”, and have said pretty much everything I can say. No disrespect meant to you, just thing the conversation has reached a termination point. Take care.
The Hong Kongers were given assurance to have “one country, two system” deal to assuage their concerns before the handover to China (of course that doesn’t exactly goes according to plan because CCP being CCP, but that’s another different topic). If Falklands were to be given something similar, then that might assuage the Falklanders. However, it’s unlikely since they unilaterally elected to remain with UK. How is Argentina going to deal with English-speaking Falklanders, whose traditions and customs still identify with the British? Argentines love to chest-thump about “taking back” Falklands but never think about what will happen next. As you said, it is exactly human failings. Argentina could not even get their things together and now they want to bring their own mess to somewhere else.