• Flying Squid
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    36 months ago

    Then their companies will go belly-up.

    • Jeena
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      86 months ago

      I don’t believe it. If it’s good enough then they will ship and make money, and those who put people on it will be so slow that they will be just outperformed by those who don’t.

      • Flying Squid
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        66 months ago

        If your code doesn’t work because you rely entirely on an AI to do it, you don’t have a business you can run unless you want to go back to paper and pencil.

        • Jeena
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          06 months ago

          If your code doesn’t work because you rely on humans understanding it, you don’t have a business you can run. We already are there where humans have no idea why the computer does this or that decision because it’s so complex especially with all the machine learning and complex training data, etc. let’s not pretend it will get less complex with time.

          • Flying Squid
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            36 months ago

            So your argument is that people will rely on AI entirely without making any redundancies, unlike now where they have more than one human so they can check for these issues because humans make coding errors?

            • Jeena
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              16 months ago

              My argument is that already today no human is able to and checks it when it comes to decision making models like for example if the car should go left or right around a obstacle. And over time we will have less straight forward classical programming doing decisions and more and more models doing decisions with hundreds or thousands of sensor inputs.

              • Flying Squid
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                36 months ago

                And that means AI code shouldn’t be error-checked?

                • Jeena
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                  16 months ago

                  That means that it right now can not be error checked and it will be even more difficult in the future.

                  • Flying Squid
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                    26 months ago

                    So you’re saying no code would be worth error checking by a human at all? There is no level of simpler code that an AI could get wrong and would need someone to fix it?

                  • Jeena
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                    16 months ago

                    Or let me rephrase it with the context of the original assumption that if people don’t check the code which AI wrote the company will lose customers because the quality is bad.

                    Right now there are tons of models out there which no human can understand why they decide this or that, still they bring so much more value that they get shipped even though they make some mistakes. If a company would try to only ship code checked by humans they would not be able to ship the products and would lose their customers to a company which does not check it but does ship.

              • lemmyvore
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                6 months ago

                Except we already have fields (like pharma manufacturing) that have to deal with hundreds or thousands of inputs and variables, are automated, and we still manage to fully understand the stack as well as fully check everything.

                Hint: when someone tells you they “can’t” check or understand what their software is doing, it’s a scam.

                Normally they should be told to go back and figure it out before being allowed to ship any product. If you tried this in any other industry it would be laughable. Even in software it’s outrageous, imagine getting accounting software or even a simple file backup tool that doesn’t work some of the time and nobody can tell you how it works. Yet these companies get a pass putting cars like this on the road.

            • enkers
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              I kinda agree with them. Currently coding already is an abstraction. The average developer has very little idea what machine code their compiler actually produces, and for the most part they don’t need to care about this. Feeding an AI a specification is just a higher level of abstraction.

              For now, we’ll need people to check that AI produces code that does what we expect, but I believe at some point we’ll mostly take it for granted that they just do.