An After-School Program Teaches Teens Java and Python::The students also learn how to design board games and video games

  • @pivot_root
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    46 months ago

    Back when I was in school, corporal punishment was the norm. I would still prefer that over Java.

    • @Fades
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      66 months ago

      We get it, you have no idea what modern Java looks like

      • @[email protected]
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        136 months ago

        I know exactly what modern Java looks like, and it could be beautiful. But… legacy cruft and lazy devs make it painful. And tech debt, let’s be honest.

        I’d view a greenfield project rather differently, but those are unicorns.

        • @pivot_root
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          46 months ago

          I’d view a greenfield project rather differently, but those are unicorns written in Kotlin.

        • @BrianTheeBiscuiteer
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          36 months ago

          I don’t know a single language that’s immune to the things you just mentioned.

          • StarDreamer
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            16 months ago

            Haskell is still as beautiful as the day it was first made.

            Except for class methods. We don’t talk about methods.

      • @pivot_root
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        -56 months ago

        I get it, you have no idea what trying to optimize around an ever-changing JIT recompiler looks like

        • @[email protected]
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          86 months ago

          I think if your project is so performance-critical that small runtime changes can cause performance issues, Java (or any other garbage-collected language) isn’t a good choice. That’s not the case for the vast majority of projects.

        • @kaffiene
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          36 months ago

          It looks like something that doesn’t happen

          • @pivot_root
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            16 months ago

            The just-in-time compiler isn’t bad, but the rest of it is. An optimized hot loop has the potential to emit better instructions than a C/C++ compiler not using PGO, but you’re never going to see that in any real workload.

            If you could rip out/avoid the garbage collector, give it the ability to use escape analysis to avoid heap-allocating every single object, and prevent it from implicitly making every function virtual, then maybe. But at that point, you might as well just a different language.

              • @pivot_root
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                16 months ago

                There’s a difference between the JIT being able to emit better native code than an unguided compiler, and the language being as performant as another language. Java is never going to be as fast as C or C++, and that’s something you can blame its design for.

                • @[email protected]
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                  26 months ago

                  They traded speed for safety, that’s why, not something right or wrong that you should “blame” anything for IMO.