This was the exact shit said in 2020 and for years before that. There is no ‘next generation Democrat’ because the Dems are just as complicit in this farce as the Republicans. I refuse to vote for the party of “maybe we’ll try to slow the rapid descent into christofascist capitalism just a little a bit, as long as it doesn’t make the shareholders mad.”
Dems have to do something beyond sad attempts at change if they want my vote. Oh what, if i don’t fall in line the republicans will win? Wow i guess the democratic party will need to become significantly more progressive.
What is the point of voting at all if you’re not going to vote for either of the two people who actually has a chance of winning?
No one knows who you vote for. At best, it’s a pointless personal moral victory that no one else will be aware of. You can literally stay home and just tell people you voted for someone and they won’t be any the wiser.
So why bother? To fractionally increase the vast margin your candidate is still going to lose by?
Without trying to sound contentious, how is voting for one of the two major parties supposed to help break out of the two party system? Have the Democrats ever put forward any kind of legislation supporting things like eliminating first-past-the-post?
To be clear, I don’t disagree that the Dems are the lesser of two devils in this election but I don’t know if it’s fair to waive a banner of hope for either party at this point.
electoral college and first past the post helps republicans and hurts democrats… if you want systemic change, vote for the party that has the most to gain from the systemic change you’d like to see, and then work to make that systemic change happen
democrats almost always win the popular vote… the electoral college is part of the mechanism that gives smaller states that tend to be more republican greater voting power than larger states
and as far as FPTP, third party candidate votes tend toward more democratic candidates. given the spoiler effect (a 3rd party candidate draws the most votes from the 2 party candidate they’re closest to: if they didn’t run, most of their votes would have gone to their closest candidate. given they’re unlikely to win due to how the mathematics and sociology of voting systems work, a successful 3rd party candidate is always bad for their voters), that means that if RCV or similar were implemented, on balance those votes for 3rd parties would mean democrats get more votes
So we’re supposed to keep voting for the same center right libs for eternity? The party leaders of the Democrats will never allow things like ranked choice voting because it takes power away from them. I do agree with you that at the local and state levels Democrats are far more likely than Republicans to support RCV, however with the federal Democrats in power nothing will change.
This was the exact shit said in 2020 and for years before that. There is no ‘next generation Democrat’ because the Dems are just as complicit in this farce as the Republicans. I refuse to vote for the party of “maybe we’ll try to slow the rapid descent into christofascist capitalism just a little a bit, as long as it doesn’t make the shareholders mad.”
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Dems have to do something beyond sad attempts at change if they want my vote. Oh what, if i don’t fall in line the republicans will win? Wow i guess the democratic party will need to become significantly more progressive.
What is the point of voting at all if you’re not going to vote for either of the two people who actually has a chance of winning?
No one knows who you vote for. At best, it’s a pointless personal moral victory that no one else will be aware of. You can literally stay home and just tell people you voted for someone and they won’t be any the wiser.
So why bother? To fractionally increase the vast margin your candidate is still going to lose by?
Somebody doesn’t understand basic game theory.
Yes, that would be you.
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Without trying to sound contentious, how is voting for one of the two major parties supposed to help break out of the two party system? Have the Democrats ever put forward any kind of legislation supporting things like eliminating first-past-the-post?
To be clear, I don’t disagree that the Dems are the lesser of two devils in this election but I don’t know if it’s fair to waive a banner of hope for either party at this point.
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electoral college and first past the post helps republicans and hurts democrats… if you want systemic change, vote for the party that has the most to gain from the systemic change you’d like to see, and then work to make that systemic change happen
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democrats almost always win the popular vote… the electoral college is part of the mechanism that gives smaller states that tend to be more republican greater voting power than larger states
and as far as FPTP, third party candidate votes tend toward more democratic candidates. given the spoiler effect (a 3rd party candidate draws the most votes from the 2 party candidate they’re closest to: if they didn’t run, most of their votes would have gone to their closest candidate. given they’re unlikely to win due to how the mathematics and sociology of voting systems work, a successful 3rd party candidate is always bad for their voters), that means that if RCV or similar were implemented, on balance those votes for 3rd parties would mean democrats get more votes
Handing power over to proto-fascists would do more to end the two party system. But who actually thinks that’s a good idea?
So we’re supposed to keep voting for the same center right libs for eternity? The party leaders of the Democrats will never allow things like ranked choice voting because it takes power away from them. I do agree with you that at the local and state levels Democrats are far more likely than Republicans to support RCV, however with the federal Democrats in power nothing will change.
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Oh? Please cite those statements.
Given your claim they will need to be exact same statements. “exact” your words. Not “close”. Not “basically the same”. Exact.
So. Go on. Do it. For 2020 and 2016. Since that is your claim.
If you cannot find the “exact” same statement then you failed.
Tell you what. I’ll even ignore the ecological fallacy you all love.