• MacN'Cheezus
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    321 year ago

    On that note, I sure hope he doesn’t uses any Apple products either.

    • palordrolap
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      261 year ago

      TL;DR The fruit of the tree of knowledge being a literal apple is non-canon, being entirely based on a pun.

      The word “apple” is not used in the Bible, that is, unless the Bible in question is a translation that specifically uses that word. Even then, see below.

      The whole apple thing comes from:

      1. the fact that the word for “apple” can be used as a synonym for “(any) fruit” in some languages and context, and so could mean any fruit.

      Think about French pomme de terre for “potato” which is literally “apple (meaning ‘fruit’) of the earth”. Dutch has aardappel (earth apple) which is the same thing. Fun fact: Old English eorþæppel (earth apple) allegedly meant “cucumber”. Go figure. But I digress.

      1. Latin is the main ecclesiastical language for one particularly influential branch of Christianity and one word for apple in Latin is “malus”. That sounds like a lot of unrelated Latin words that start “mal-” that mean bad or evil, thus an apparent connection to the fruit of the tree of knowledge also leading to evil.

      (I mean, it might actually be a proto-apple of some sort (modern apples did not exist 7000 years ago or whenever it was supposed to be) but the Bible doesn’t specify.

      Some scholars think that the whole thing developed out of metaphor for abandoning a hunter-gatherer lifestyle for farming. Others think that it might be a reference to beer / alcohol, which is one of the first things humans got interested in after farming.)

      • @Pipoca
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        Additionally, the idea that the serpent in the garden of eden is the devil is post-biblical.

        First of all, the old testament doesn’t really present the devil as a character, at all. Satan is a Hebrew word meaning “accuser”, not a name of a specific entity.

        For example, in the book of Job, a bunch of angels come before God, and “hasatan/the accuser” is among them; it seems more like it’s a job title of one of the angels than as being the Christian idea of the devil.

        Second of all, the new testament doesn’t unambiguously call the serpent in the garden of eden the devil, literally anywhere.

        Christians will often point to Revelation 20:2

        He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

        Although this is probably a reference to Leviathan instead, who is called both a dragon and a serpent elsewhere, and features in canaanite creation myths that are referenced elsewhere (e.g. Isaiah 27 closely mirrors some Ugaritic tablets we’ve found, just replacing Baal defeating Leviathan with God defeating Leviathan)

        They’ll also cite some verses calling the devil the father of lies, although this is fairly ambiguous. Particularly since the serpent doesn’t actually say anything untrue in Genesis - it’s at best a lie of omission, and saying it’s a lie of omission presupposes that the serpent knew how God would punish everyone involved.

    • @[email protected]
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      191 year ago

      I mean, that Apple logo has a bite out of it. Eve’s bite! And it ships with Python!

      Someone call the Inquisition!

    • kase
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      51 year ago

      I was genuinely taught by my churh not to use apple products for this exact reason. The youth leaders went on a whole tangent about the symbolism. They thought Apple, the company, was trying to trick us all into satanism.

      It was a little bit like that video of the lady preaching about Monster energy drinks. Oh, and you better believe they showed us all that video unironically.

      But c’mon, at least Monster is supposed to be edgy. Apple is literally just an apple. Insanity, I tell you

      • Cethin
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        21 year ago

        Well I’m pretty sure that is the symbolism they were using, and either implying it gives your freedom or knowledge, I assume the former. It’s a pretty good symbol if you agree that eating the theoretical apple is actually a good thing.

        • kase
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          31 year ago

          That’s a cool way to look at it! I got curious so I looked it up, and I found an interview with the guy who designed the logo, and he said it’s a myth.

          Of course, I’ll add that there might be more to the story than that. IIRC the name was chosen before the logo, so this doesn’t rule out that the name itself was a reference to the bible story. Also, if it was, I kinda doubt that Apple would openly confirm it now, knowing it could cause them to lose some of their customers. 🤷

          • @[email protected]
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            Isn’t the story, nobody came up with a good name for the company and Steve Jobs said you have x days to come up with a name I like, or I just call it Apple? And they didn’t?