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  • Chetzemoka
    2•1 year ago

    I actually WOULD recommend this for seniors. It does not have any anticholinergic side effects like a lot of pharmaceutical sedatives do, and it doesn’t interact with the most common blood pressure or cardiac meds that older folks often take.

    I have the same problem with magnesium supplements. Mag glycinate has less of that laxative effect than mag citrate, so she could try that as well.

    The only two caveats I would add are: she should definitely tell her doctors she’s taking it, as with any OTC supplement. And if she’s specifically on a drug called warfarin (Coumadin), she should be very cautious. (Even Tylenol can cause warfarin to build up in the body. Warfarin sucks, so we don’t use it as much anymore, but it’s not unheard of.)

    Hope that helps! (I’m a cardiac nurse. I work with older folks a lot.)

    • @cheese_greaterOP
      3•1 year ago

      Thanks, I’m in talks with the right expert hehe :)

      More specifically, is it genuinely helpful for quality of sleep, all other things being constructive towards that end in turn?

      • Chetzemoka
        2•1 year ago

        Hahaha, I love working with older folks. They’re my favorite patients.

          • Chetzemoka
            2•1 year ago

            Literally the only thing that gives me refreshing sleep. (See also: mitochondrial dysfunction that I mentioned in my other comment about CQ10.) Apigenin seems to improve what’s called “sleep architecture” in a way that none of the pharmaceuticals I’ve ever tried do.

            • @cheese_greaterOP
              2•1 year ago

              Shit, I may have to try it first. Im getting other sleep stuff done but every bit helps

            • @cheese_greaterOP
              2•1 year ago

              I gotta sleep soon aha but I’ll leave you with a last question for tonight: what do you think mediates Apigenin’s efficacy for sleep? Like what is the mechanism behind its efficacy, what systems does it modulate?

              Thanks and no rush, I’ll listen to that article tomorrow :)

              • Chetzemoka
                2•1 year ago

                So, it’s interesting, because it’s well-known to have effects on the same GABA receptors as benzodiazepines (like Xanax), but none of the addictive, physical dependence problems, and apigenin doesn’t respond consistently to the drug we use to reverse benzos (called flumazenil).

                So… we’re not entirely sure? It could still be the GABA effects that help with sleep. But there’s also a host of antiinflammatory neurological effects that probably better explain its efficacy against Alzheimer’s, for example.

                Now, if you really want to put yourself to sleep, feel free to crawl through this alphabet soup of a research article lol:

                https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6472148/

                • @cheese_greaterOP
                  2•1 year ago

                  Thanks and I will check those out. Does the flumazenil displace GABA_B ligands/receptors as well or only _A?

                  Thats all for tonight, night

                  • Chetzemoka
                    2•1 year ago

                    Oh you’re getting in the weeds now hahaha. Looks like it’s primarily GABA_A

                    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5326685/

                    I just had to look that shit up haha. I’ve never thought to check into it beyond just “you’re not breathing, so I’m about to make you very angry by reversing your high, sorry bro” lol