/u/mindseal and I recently began discussing intention and manifestation and the “mechanism” behind it. We’ve moved our conversation to this thread so that others can hopefully share their thoughts and experiences.

  • @syncretikOPM
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    11 year ago

    I’m on mobile at the moment, so please forgive my brevity, but: I suggest you look more at the fingertrap you’re in. Based on this post, I don’t think the way forward for you is to figure out how to tug perfectly forward on the trap. In a sense, it only strengthens the grip of the thing.

    The “I know it but don’t feel it” or “Intellectually but not viscerally” or “In theory but not in practice” trap is one of the most widespread, easy-to-fall-into mental holes in occult, magical, and mystical practices of all varieties. I hear of it constantly.

    I’d look closer at that trap than I would at getting some specific set of instructions for a magical assertion of will. The latter will not even make sense as an obstacle as you understand it to be now, once you address that more fundamental misunderstanding.

    Originally commented by u/Utthana on 2019-07-18 18:53:06 (eu45ury)

    • @syncretikOPM
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      11 year ago

      /u/therewasguy In the spirit of this thread, I’m going to reply to your DM publicly here. If you’d rather move things to a private chat, just let me know.

      Syncretik is absolutely right that frequencies don’t have to matter if you don’t want them to. A principle of subjective idealism, the philosophy upon which the whole sub is built, is that reality is subjective - that your mind (your knowledge, experiences, and will), yours alone, is fundamental for you. Everything within it, and that very much includes every spiritual teaching you’ve ever read about anywhere, is subject to you, and not apart from you in any way. The path you take is your path to forge.

      It can be easier sometimes to allow power to (appear to) exist outside of your control and then “borrow” it, e.g. it’s easier for me to just say that chickens hatch eggs regardless of my consent or mindful involvement and then to get my eggs from chickens than it is for me to manifest my own eggs from nothingness, deliberately exempting chickens from the equation. The latter is possible, but vastly inconvenient in comparison for me right now. In other circumstances it would be more convenient, but for now, it’s not. Spiritual teachings are the same. You can accept ones you’ve already “othered” out in the world and follow them and make them work, or you can make your own. Both routes have pros and cons. But importantly, either way, you’re the one making the decision.

      To quote an old song, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

      So it’s important to remember when you’re seeking wisdom from other people - like you are asking questions on this sub - that you’re really just seeking something that you feel comfortable empowering. You’re looking for something that you can believe in fully enough that you’ll make it real - not something which is already real, regardless of what you do, that you can just utilize. Nothing is already real without you. You are the music-maker.

      And that’s right at the heart of the fingertrap: waiting for something that will work inherently regardless of whether you believe in it/empower it, because it’s already inherently powerful. You can do that with eggs no problem, since eggs fit into this worldview you’ve forged around you very neatly. But since you’re explicitly and specifically trying to do something which violates that worldview - it seems like your goal here is basically “perform an action which violates at least one rule that I’ve set up against actions” - you’ll obviously never find something out in the world that will do that. No piece of advice can hand that to you. There is no magic spell that will work no matter who casts it or when or why. And literally anything and everything can be a magic spell if the person casting it believes in and empowers it thusly.

      Originally commented by u/Utthana on 2019-07-19 16:43:17 (eu75eub)