Beeper Mini Is Back
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Bug fixes and other improvements We've created an updated version of Beeper Mini that fixes an issue that caused messages not to be sent or received. You can get the update directly from beeper.com/update on your phone. We are still doing some final testing before submitting the update to the Google Play Store for distribution to all users.

We’ve created an updated version of Beeper Mini that fixes an issue that caused messages not to be sent or received. We even added in a few new feature improvements: chats now open at the last unread message, and we polished the video player a bit!

  • ChewyEnglish
    18•11 months ago

    I guess you aren’t living in the US either.

    The iPhone is extremely popular over there, especially amongst teens the market share is over 80%. Also, because of cheap SMS and MMS people actually continued to use SMS while e.g. most of the EU quickly switched to internet messengers.

    At the same internet messengers started to appear, Apple released iMessage which is a internet messenger with an SMS/MMS fallback for chatting with non-iMessage devices. This experience is worse for many reasons, notably the terrible 500KB media size limit makes videos unwatchable.

    Additionally, MMS group chats are a thing in the US. This means a single non-iMessage device in a group makes the experience worse for everyone.

    This lead to most people using their pre-installed messaging app, which is a worse experience on Android (SMS) than on Apple (actually modern messenger). It’s not an issue in other countries because people are accustomed to instantly installing WhatsApp on their new device.

    Edit: As a teen, I didn’t even know MMS could do groups because ten years ago it would’ve been prohibitively expensive anyway.

    • @SerinusEnglish
      13•11 months ago

      Important to note that all of this is intentional by Apple. They intentionally degrade the experience when a non-Apple device is involved.

      Which is why they broke this product last time, and why they’ll break it again.

      • ChewyEnglish
        7•11 months ago

        Craig Federighi, Apple’s Senior Vice President of Software Engineering and the executive in charge of iOS, went as far as to say that “iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove [an] obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones.”

        The documents show that in 2016, an unnamed Apple employee wrote in an email that “the #1 most difficult [reason] to leave the Apple universe app is iMessage… iMessage amounts to serious lock-in,” to which Phil Schiller, an Apple executive in charge of the App Store, responded that “moving iMessage to Android will hurt us more than help us, this email illustrates why.”

        https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-confirms-imessage-locks-users-into-ios-and-putting-it-on-android-would-hurt-apple/

    • @halcyoncmdrEnglish
      4•11 months ago

      Android (SMS) than on Apple (actually modern messenger)

      This hasn’t been true for years. Android has had full RCS support built into the default Messages app (and all major Android manufacturer third party apps also support it). RCS includes every major feature iMessage feature that differentiated it from SMS, but Apple refuses to implement it on iOS because that removes their iMessage monopoly.

      • ChewyEnglish
        4•11 months ago

        You’re right, except the missing e2e encryption and lack of proper carrier implementations RCS seems pretty great. Hopefully with Apple adopting RCS they’ll push for a proper e2e spec, but I won’t hold my breath to have e2e with anything except Google Messages.

        A bit off-topic: My other complaint about RCS is missing open source implementations. The only client available on all devices is Google’s Messages and even that doesn’t work without Google Services.

        Also many carriers don’t implement RCS themselves, and instead use Google’s server [1]. This is bad since Google has access to all messages (and probably governments too, similar to recent news about push messages).

        Why use RCS with Google Messages through Google servers over WhatsApp? I’m just frustrated about the state of messaging. Broad support across all countries is a big advantage.

        [1] https://9to5google.com/2023/03/27/vodafone-rcs-messages-android/

    • arglebargleEnglish
      3•11 months ago

      This experience is worse for many reasons, notably the terrible 500KB media size limit makes videos unwatchable.

      I am trying to figure out why I want videos in my chat. Just link it. It is weird that media size if limited by carrier, not mms itself. So that is a pain, where the range (again depending on carrier) is say 3 megabytes to 500KB. Artificial limitations and inconsistency is annoying.

      In any case I have Apple and Android, I have family with a mix of both as well, and I do not get all the whining. Messages work, group chats work, images work. so Meh. No big deal. Even with family in Africa, the UK, and the US.

      • ChewyEnglish
        2•11 months ago

        I am trying to figure out why I want videos in my chat. Just link it.

        Sometimes I want to send a private video which isn’t publicly available, so there’s no link to send. E.g. a video of a relative’s performance.

        • arglebargleEnglish
          3•11 months ago

          Since they are auto backed up to my server, or icloud, or google drive, or whatever the person is using, we just link to there. Not public of course. I get that you save a step of course.