I haven’t ever had a computer that has been pre-built that comes with steam pre-installed.
I’ve had plenty to come with bloatware, but none of that bloatware has ever been Steam. And you know why? Because Valve doesn’t pay companies to pre install Steam.
Google made the same argument in this case, but Epic responded by saying that impairing the competition is sufficient to describe the behavior as unlawful. Like Google, Valve control the vast majority of the market, charge a fee that is way above the cost of service, and have rules that make the competitors less appealing. Like this one:
In response to one inquiry from a game publisher, in another example, Valve explained: “We basically see any selling of the game on PC, Steam key or not, as a part of the same shared PC market- so even if you weren’t using Steam keys, we’d just choose to stop selling a game if it was always running discounts of 75% off on one store but 50% off on ours. . . .”
Can you tell me how Valve forces steam to be installed on everyone’s PCs and bans the installation of other game stores? You still haven’t done that yet.
Steam is optional, not preinstalled, and Valve does nothing to force its use. Valve doesn’t even do legal (but shady) things like exclusivity deals, like some of their competitors do.
Google, on the other hand, knows OEMs have no choice but to use their software, so they force companies into signing agreements saying no third party app stores, no not including XYZ apps and Google telemetry, etc.
One is an abuse of market position. The other is just a popular product. They are not the same.
In the hypothetical world where Valve creates an OS that replaces Windows, MS exits the PC space leaving SteamOS to take up all of the market, and Valve forces PC makers to only have Steam and no other game stores, and that all revenue should go through Valve, then you’ll have a point. But right now it’s just “Steam is popular” - that’s not an argument, there’s zero coercion going on.
Again, point me to where Valve is doing what Google is doing. Stop evading this request.
You’re still dodging what I keep asking you. Answer it or we’re done here.
DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT VALVE FORCES PC MAKERS TO PREINSTALL STEAM AND STOP PREINSTALLATION OF OTHER APP STORES? DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF THEM HAVING SECRET BACK ROOM DEALS WHERE THEY DON’T CHARGE SOME PUBLISHERS THE STEAM FEE?
It’s a couple of simple questions with simple answers. Yes or no.
And “they do advertising of games on their platform!!!” - that’s seriously one of your complaints? Lmao
30% cut is the industry standard. And they use that cut to fund an extremely bandwidth-intensive service, with stuff like voice chat, notes, friend systems, achievements, cloud save, Linux compatibility layers, streaming, etc. It’s substantially cheaper than the monthly payments MS/Sony/Nintendo take (on top of taking a cut for games) for lesser service. Where’s the anti-competitive behaviour?
Steam’s telemetry surveys are opt-in.
Explain “whitewashing”, please.
They don’t pressure with terms and conditions. Like any service if you want to use steam you agree to their rules. You don’t have to use steam. You don’t have a god-given right to publish on steam. Many don’t publish on steam.
Supporting Russia in Ukraine - explain.
Ethnic cleansing of Chinese??? What?? Are you high?
And again, I’m going to reiterate:
You’re still dodging what I keep asking you. Answer it or we’re done here.
DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT VALVE FORCES PC MAKERS TO PREINSTALL STEAM AND STOP PREINSTALLATION OF OTHER APP STORES? DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF THEM HAVING SECRET BACK ROOM DEALS WHERE THEY DON’T CHARGE SOME PUBLISHERS THE STEAM FEE?
Also lmao, new user with a post history about loving MS. And you say you’re against monopolistic behaviour LOL. Seems like you’re just butthurt about MS being outdone on their own platform. Gates and Nadela don’t care about you no matter how much you simp for them.
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Why? Steam has no monopoly. There are a lot of other stores.
The Play Store is the default store on Android. I think this is why it’s a monopoly.
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I haven’t ever had a computer that has been pre-built that comes with steam pre-installed.
I’ve had plenty to come with bloatware, but none of that bloatware has ever been Steam. And you know why? Because Valve doesn’t pay companies to pre install Steam.
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Google made the same argument in this case, but Epic responded by saying that impairing the competition is sufficient to describe the behavior as unlawful. Like Google, Valve control the vast majority of the market, charge a fee that is way above the cost of service, and have rules that make the competitors less appealing. Like this one:
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You mean like Play Store?
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What? Oh FFS. Context. Yes, Play Store has competitors, so yes absolutely a lot.
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Valve forces other companies to have Steam installed by default on their PCs? And has shady background deals with various companies?
Wow, TIL
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Ok…?
Can you tell me how Valve forces steam to be installed on everyone’s PCs and bans the installation of other game stores? You still haven’t done that yet.
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That’s not following that logic at all.
Steam is optional, not preinstalled, and Valve does nothing to force its use. Valve doesn’t even do legal (but shady) things like exclusivity deals, like some of their competitors do.
Google, on the other hand, knows OEMs have no choice but to use their software, so they force companies into signing agreements saying no third party app stores, no not including XYZ apps and Google telemetry, etc.
One is an abuse of market position. The other is just a popular product. They are not the same.
In the hypothetical world where Valve creates an OS that replaces Windows, MS exits the PC space leaving SteamOS to take up all of the market, and Valve forces PC makers to only have Steam and no other game stores, and that all revenue should go through Valve, then you’ll have a point. But right now it’s just “Steam is popular” - that’s not an argument, there’s zero coercion going on.
Again, point me to where Valve is doing what Google is doing. Stop evading this request.
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You’re still dodging what I keep asking you. Answer it or we’re done here.
DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT VALVE FORCES PC MAKERS TO PREINSTALL STEAM AND STOP PREINSTALLATION OF OTHER APP STORES? DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF THEM HAVING SECRET BACK ROOM DEALS WHERE THEY DON’T CHARGE SOME PUBLISHERS THE STEAM FEE?
It’s a couple of simple questions with simple answers. Yes or no.
And “they do advertising of games on their platform!!!” - that’s seriously one of your complaints? Lmao
30% cut is the industry standard. And they use that cut to fund an extremely bandwidth-intensive service, with stuff like voice chat, notes, friend systems, achievements, cloud save, Linux compatibility layers, streaming, etc. It’s substantially cheaper than the monthly payments MS/Sony/Nintendo take (on top of taking a cut for games) for lesser service. Where’s the anti-competitive behaviour?
Steam’s telemetry surveys are opt-in.
Explain “whitewashing”, please.
They don’t pressure with terms and conditions. Like any service if you want to use steam you agree to their rules. You don’t have to use steam. You don’t have a god-given right to publish on steam. Many don’t publish on steam.
Supporting Russia in Ukraine - explain.
Ethnic cleansing of Chinese??? What?? Are you high?
And again, I’m going to reiterate:
You’re still dodging what I keep asking you. Answer it or we’re done here.
DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT VALVE FORCES PC MAKERS TO PREINSTALL STEAM AND STOP PREINSTALLATION OF OTHER APP STORES? DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF THEM HAVING SECRET BACK ROOM DEALS WHERE THEY DON’T CHARGE SOME PUBLISHERS THE STEAM FEE?
Also lmao, new user with a post history about loving MS. And you say you’re against monopolistic behaviour LOL. Seems like you’re just butthurt about MS being outdone on their own platform. Gates and Nadela don’t care about you no matter how much you simp for them.
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You mean nuking the only major contributor who’s bringing games into linux ?
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Linux is open source, why won’t you do it yourself 😂😂😂
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Ironic considering you’re supposedly against market monopolies
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Calm your tits Tim Sweeney.
You don’t know what you’re talking about do you.
Computers don’t come with steam automatically installed, do they? So it’s not in any actual sense of the word of monopoly.
You are been downvoted because your comment is idiotic.
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